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Friday, 24 October 2008

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Dr Chee Soon Juan applied in court today to the trial judge to dismiss the charges brought against the 17 activists because these charges go against the Singapore Constitution. He made these points to District Judge Chia Wee Kiat. The activists are charged with participating in a protest in March this year.

Below are Dr Chee's arguments.


Your Honour,

My associates and I have been charged under the Miscellaneous Offences Act (MOA) for participating in an assembly as well as a procession on 15 March 2008.

We had assembled outside Parliament House to mark World Consumer Rights Day (WCRD) which is celebrated by an organisation called the Consumers International.

We are citizens of Singapore and as citizens, we are guaranteed of our fundamental freedoms under Article 14 of our Constitution which states that:

a. every citizen of Singapore has the right to freedom of speech and expression;
b. all citizens of Singapore have the right to assemble peaceably and without arms; and
c. all citizens of Singapore have the right to form associations.


This Constitution was written and promulgated when we wrestled our country back from the British colonial government. It wasn't just a flight of fancy on the part of the framers of the constitution when it was written. Every word was scrutinised and considered before its inclusion in the document.

In other words, the Article 14 was written in to ensure that we, as a people, would be able to fully partake of our freedoms of speech and assembly. We were guaranteed these basic political and civil rights that enable us as free individuals to choose our own government instead of having to rely on and be subject to the rule of another sovereign.

Fast forward to present-day Singapore. The MOA forbids any gathering of 5 or more persons in a public area without a permit. Hence this present and several upcoming trials. We are also forbidden to speak in public without a permit under the Public Entertainment and Meetings Act. I have been prosecuted and convicted four times for this "offence". But that's another matter for another forum.

For now I would like to focus on the right of assembly in this country.

My charge reads that I "ought reasonably to have known that the assembly was held without the prior permission of the Deputy Commissioner of Police..."

The idea of applying for a permit is a red herring. The Minister for Home Affairs Mr Wong Kan Seng stated in February 2003 that the "government does not authorise protests and demonstrations of any nature."

He repeated in Parliament in February this year, and I quote the Hansard: "We have stopped short of allowing outdoor and street demonstrations...Our experiences in the past have taught us to be very circumspect about outdoor and street protests."

As you can see, the Singapore government has stated plainly that it will not allow anyone to hold protests and demonstrations of any nature.

Contrast this with Article 14. The constitution says we have the right to peaceful assembly but the Minister says he will not authorise such assemblies.

Clearly there is a contradiction. In other words what the Minister says and does is in conflict with the Constitution. So what do you do when the there is such a conflict?

There is display of our legal system and the Constitution in the foyer of this courthouse. One of the display panels describes the "Tools of the Law" and a paragraph in it states that "Any law that conflicts with the Constitution is void and Singapore courts can strike down any legislation or executive acts that go against the Constitution."

It cannot have been the intention of the framers of Singapore’s constitution that Parliament can exercise its authority to limit free speech in an arbitrary manner. What limits exist must have at least some rational and bona fide basis.

A sweeping ban, one that presumptively eliminates the right of free expression and assembly in public areas, cannot possibly be one that is genuinely and rationally targeted at any mischief that Parliament can lawfully address.

Moreover, the Constitution of Singapore must be construed, where possible, to be consistent with customary international law. The latter provides for free expression for all citizens everywhere; it does not tolerate bans that are massive, arbitrary and disproportionate.

Still less does the administrative law of Singapore permit the exercise of executive discretion in a manner that is harshly, arbitrarily and disportionately inimical to freedom of expression and assembly.

The across the board refusal of the Executive to issue permits is not consistent with the rule of administrative law, which requires rationality and good faith in the exercise of discretion, a willingness to consider situations on their merits rather than adopting rigid rules that have no basis in enabling legislation, and the interpretation and application of legislation in a manner that is consistent with the basic principles of a human rights, customary international law, Singapore’s solemn international commitments, and parliamentary democracy.

Freedom of expression and assembly are part of the preconditions for a meaningful parliamentary democracy. An interpretation of the constitutional and administrative law of Singapore must take into account all of its components.

It is not reasonable to accept any and all interferences with political liberties that Legislature or Executive attempt, forgetting that it is political freedom and accountability to the public that is the foundation for the exercise of legislative and executive authority. This point was acknowledged by the Supreme Court of the United States in many cases that identify freedom of expression and assembly as “preferred freedoms” because they are absolutely fundamental to the existence and operation of a free and democratic society.

Judges of the Supreme Court of Canada arrived at a similar conclusion in the famous Alberta Press case.

Ironically, the Minister for Home Affairs Mr Wong Kan Seng goes on to couch such a Constitutional breach by invoking the concept of the rule of law: "I believe that Singaporeans understand and support the fundamentals that have made Singapore what it is today. What are these fundamentals? The first fundamental is the rule of law."

But what really does the rule of law specify and require? The former Chief Justice of India Mr P N Bhagwatie stated that the State must act

within the limits of power conferred upon it by the Constitution and the laws...thereby, making the rule of law meaningful and effective. Most countries have a written constitution which provides the structure allocating and regulating power relations amongst the different organs of the State. The Constitution confers power on the various organs of the State and also lays down the limits within which such power may be exercised...in other words, where the State or its officers act outside the Constitution on the laws...the rule of law is violated.


But when the constitution, and by extension the rule of law, is undermined by the executive branch of the government, who is going to ensure that the problem is corrected? Mr Bhagwatie says:

The judiciary is one such institution on which rests the noble edifice of democracy and the rule of law. It is to the judiciary that is entrusted the task of keeping every organ of the State within the limits of power conferred upon it by the Constitution...It is the solemn function of the judiciary to ensure that no constitutional or legal functionary or authority acts beyond the limits of its power nor that there be any abuse or misuse of power.

It should be the goal of the rule of law that these multifarious and diverse encounters are fair, just and free from arbitrariness, and it is, therefore, necessary to structure and regulate the power of the executive so as to prevent its abuse or misuse or arbitrary application or exercise...

The judiciary stands between the citizen and the State as a bulwark against executive excesses of misuse or abuse of power or the transgression of constitutional or legal limitations by the executive as well as the legislature.


Chief Justice of Canada, Madam Beverly McLachlin, wrote in December 2005 that "Judges must resist...making 'law' out of what cannot be just, and hence, in a profound sense, cannot be legal. To do otherwise is to allow injustice to hide itself under the cloak of false legality."

But what is she referring to when she talks about making law out of what cannot be just? She is referring to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR). She stated plainly that "the drafting and adoption of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948 was a giant step forward in legal and societal thinking." (emphasis added)

Explicitly and unambiguously stated in the UDHR, I believe they are Articles 19 and 20, that no person shall be denied his or her right to freedom of speech, association and assembly.

May I point out that Singapore has ratified two United Nations conventions, the Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) and the Convenmtion on the Rights of the Child (CRC).

It is clear that the Singapore accepts the fundamental premise of the UDHR, otherwise we would not have ratified these two Conventions. Underpinned in these Conventions, CEDAW and CRC, are the general rules of which the game is played, so to speak.

In other words the UDHR is the foundational statement from which CEDAW and CRC are born. What this means is that when Singapore raitifies these Conventions, we have to abide by the general rules as laid out in the UDHR. We cannot pick and choose which rules we want to abide by and which ones we want to ignore.

Also at the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Abuja, Nigeria, in December 2003, Singapore fully endorsed the Commonwealth (Latimer House) Principles on the Three Branches of Government.

This document states that the Commonwealth countries reaffirm their commitment to the Statement on Freedom of Expression adopted in March 2002: "We stand united in our commitment to democracy, the rule of law, good governance, freedom of expression and the protection of human rights..."

In addition, Singapore has ratified the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) Human Rights Charter which states in Article 1(7) that members states will "strengthen democracy, enhance good governance and the rule of law, and to promote and protect human rights and fundamental freedoms..."

It is clear that Singapore has agreed to abide by customary international norms regarding the fundamental freedoms of speech and assembly. It is also clear that the Singapore government refuses to honour and practice what its has signed on to.

Sir, please don't see us as troublemakers and persons who are just up to no good. We are not much different from anyone else in this room: the counsels sitting before you, court officers, the prosecutors, and even you, Your Honour. Like you we have aspirations. Like you we want to live comfortably. Like you, we are fathers, sisters, mothers, husbands and sons.

We would rather not have to come to court and face these charges. Two of the defendants, Jufri and Suraya, have a two-year-old baby daughter who is suffering from a severe case of tonsilitis and needs an operation which is scheduled to take place shortly.

I had spoken to them about this and we discussed the possibility of them pleading guilty so that they would not have to undergo this trial and stay home to look after little Misha. I had left it to them to make the decision.

They are here today because they see the importance of standing up for their rights and for justice.

I am so proud to be standing here with them and the other accused persons. I regret not one moment of choosing this path less traveled.

We have not gone out and committed a crime and harmed our fellow citizens. We have not stolen or robbed anyone or damaged anything.

What we have done is to care for our nation and our fellow men and women. You don't know how tempting it is to give up right now and just walk away. But we know that if we do, we kill a part of ourselves that we hold dear, the part that makes us what we are -- humans.

Your Honour, I have been through more than ten trials all of which I have been convicted. I have been jailed seven times. In such circumstances, it is easy to become cold and cynical. But I will not allow myself to be crushed by cynicism. No matter how difficult it is, I will continue to have faith and believe that one day I will be able to persuade the courts to see the importance of what I am saying and working for.

And so this morning, Your Honour, we come before the courts once again and ask you to protect our rights as citizens, rights enshrined in our constitution, rights that the judiciary have the bounden duty to uphold.

I have demonstrated to you that the law and the Minister's actions, and by extension these present charges, contradict the Constitution. Because of this we ask that the present charges against the 17 of us be quashed and our rights fully restored.

Thank you.

 

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Comments (52)
  • Anonymous - Kangaroo Court
    As you ask the honourable judge for bread, they give you stones:

    Supreme Court Justice V K Rajah ruled that Singapore citizens had no right to stage protests (7 Dec 2005).
  • jacys - SDP should learn from WP
    You are giving the opposition a bad name by persisting breaking the laws.

    As a WP member, I sincerely urge you to stop the nonsense which will destroy the good work done by others.

    Why can't you just learn from WP and be a constructive opposition instead of being the destructive force you are now ?
  • AnnA (1) - Singapore Hypocrisy Exposed.
    " [i]It is clear that Singapore has agreed to abide by customary international norms regarding the fundamental freedoms of speech and assembly. It is also clear that the Singapore government refuses to honour and practice what its has signed on to.[/i] "

    These incessant prosecution of peaceful activists clearly demonstrates to the whole wide world, the sort of hypocritical government Singapore has.

    I am amazed that PAP supporters are still standing by such regime.
  • Mike (Hooligan David's Enemy) - re: SDP should learn from WP
    [quote=jacys]You are giving the opposition a bad name by persisting breaking the laws.

    As a WP member, I sincerely urge you to stop the nonsense which will destroy the good work done by others.

    Why can't you just learn from WP and be a constructive opposition instead of being the destructive force you are now ?[/quote]

    Wow !! sounds so great to "learn from WP and be a constructive opposition", indeed !!

    So, [b]jacys[/b], may I "learn" from you what WP has fought for the people ?

    Has WP been assertive to press for the Constitutional rights of the people ?

    What "constructive" things has WP done for the people ?

    Increasingly more people only see WP as a NATO -- No Action Talk Only.
  • G Chen
    Jacys, you sound like just another idiot. Why I say so is because in such a short comment of yours, you have made several strong sweeping statements such as "giving opposition a bad name" "good work done by others" "constructive opposition" "destructive force" without substantiating them. If you are truly from WP, you may just be the "destructive force" against WP. In any way, with such mentality and cliche as yours, I feel that you are qualified to join the PAP (provided after having read such idiotic comment of yours they will still want to accept you).

    Out of curiosity, what makes you think that WP is a constructive opposition? Is it because of what WP had done for the cause of Singaporean or because PAP says so? But the two links below strikes out the latter..

    http://www.pap.org.sg/articleview.php?id=970&mode=&cid=23

    http://www.pap.org.sg/articleview.php?id=3394&cid=29

    ..so i guess it must be your own perception that WP is a constructive opposition, which if so, maybe you would like to enlighten me about it, after which I would suggest you go to PAP website and defend your party against their allegation and SPAM over here.

    Personally, I feel that SDP has done much in voicing out on behalf of many Singaporean and is doing what an opposition party should rightfully be doing. Thank you SDP.
  • G Chen
    In relation to the article, I find it truly sad if a judge have eyes but cant see and have ears but cant hear.
  • g_e - Justice on the ropes
    Clear, precise, and undeniable logic from Dr. Chee as we have come to expect, admire and respect. "Eloquent", as a brooding old man once grudgingly admitted in a courtroom of recent memory. The government continues to violate the Constitutional rights of its citizens as it always has, and there are no two ways about it. But then again we've always known that.

    And so has the judiciary, to its eternal shame. We know and they know that a Cambridge-trained lawyer abused his education to drag the profession through the gutter of politics. Now it is fatally compromised, viewed with cynical contempt for its eagerness to put ownership of the high-class bungalow and position in the pecking order far above its sworn duty to stand as a protective bulwark between a ruthless totalitarian regime and its citizens.

    'We are witnessing the weaponisation of Law', said Canadian lawyer Robert Amsterdam of S'pore's constitutional manipulation. Was there ever a sentence more descriptive of the depths to which the nation's jurisprudence has descended? The Law as a gun held to the heads of those who dare dissent. The Law used to harass in the most petty of ways. The Law - brought into disrepute.

    All Singaporeans know that the verdict in these disgraceful show-trials will be a mockery of justice and a travesty of the law, only ever possible in a tainted Singapore courtroom. Sentence will be gleefully pronounced with a straight face by likes of Belinda Ang and her ilk and once again decent people will be forced to walk head held high into penury and prison.

    If, even in a broken country like Zimbabwe, its High Court judges are brave enough to rule against the will of dictator Mugabe; if even in politially chaotic Pakistan, its Chief Justice refused to be cowed by all-powerful military dictator President Musharraf, what does this say of the moral courage of S'pore's courts? Not a whole lot of difference between self-proclaimed first-world Singapore and third-world Burma, North Korea, or Vietnam then, is there?

    It is time to stand up and be counted, Singaporeans. Time to cry, "Enough is enough!". Time to draw a line in the sand and roar, "Thus far - and no further!". Time to throw your whole-hearted support behind the brave 18.
  • Singapoorean - WP? Pls shut up!
    Jacys are you speaking on behalf of WP? Does WP not agree or abide by the constitution? If yes then please shut up!
  • Tan Tai Wei
    While I support the sentiments expressed in Chee's arguments, I offer the following towards more accuracy.

    Restrictions of freedom of assembly and speech, do not necessarily countermand the Constitution. Thus, this freedom, we all must admit, is not incompatible with banning public assembly for viewing pornography.

    The crux of the contention is rather that, while freedom cannot be absolute, but should be accorded in view of other "human rights" the Constitution also confers, such as the right to public security, any law that restricts freedom must, however, be justified in terms demonstrating how, without it, public safety would be seriously undermined.

    Chee's contention is, therefore, that our restrictions, such as that which renders any grouping of five or more persons to be "an assembly" needing a police permit, is unnecessarily restrictive and thus unjustified. More, they seem to be used only selectively, for political suppression, and not as they were made for, ie. protecting citizens' right to live in peace.

    On those counts, the charges the activists now face may be argued to be "unconstitional", as they uphold a law that is not justified as required by the Constitution, and applied selectively for purposes not in accord with the spirit of the Constitution.
  • maxChew - The Executive are all above the Constitution?
    It is now obvious that the Executive of S'pore ....from the PM, the Minister for Home Affairs (of Mas Selamat fame), the Chief of Police and his robocops think and act like they are all above our Constitution and can therefore enact legislation and other rules according to their whims and fancies....in order to remain in perpetual power.
    It follows therefore that if the judge (Judiciary) eventually convicts the 18 peaceful TBT protestors, he is also above the Constitution......No?
  • ah beng - re: SDP should learn from WP
    [quote=jacys]You are giving the opposition a bad name by persisting breaking the laws.

    As a WP member, I sincerely urge you to stop the nonsense which will destroy the good work done by others.

    Why can't you just learn from WP and be a constructive opposition instead of being the destructive force you are now ?[/quote]No wonder S'pore is one of those cuntries with no brainers like you. It's true, the average citizen here is automated, except for SDP and friends. I'm not included as I've lived almost half my life overseas. It's always "why can't you do this? Why can't you be like us? blah blah blah....
    " First, It's SDP and not WP, two different things. This cuntry is going down the drain one day, I can assure you. As nothing last forever, dun grasp at materials, one day it will come crashing.
  • ah beng - re: Singapore Hypocrisy Exposed.
    [quote=AnnA (1)]" [i]It is clear that Singapore has agreed to abide by customary international norms regarding the fundamental freedoms of speech and assembly. It is also clear that the Singapore government refuses to honour and practice what its has signed on to.[/i] "

    These incessant prosecution of peaceful activists clearly demonstrates to the whole wide world, the sort of hypocritical government Singapore has.

    I am amazed that PAP supporters are still standing by such regime.[/quote] that PAP supporters are still standing by such regime, first I was amazed, then I was shocked. I did some calculations and came to the following conclusions; PAP supporters red Shit Times and any nonsense from SPH and so they are brain washed. What do you expect? Next, have you noticed how most dogs resemble their owners? Well, you can think about this one.
  • Anonymous
    It seems like the verdict (upcoming) has already been decided. Such is the political climate in Singapore...

    Constitution?? If Lee is reading this he will laugh until his KKJ can do the cha-cha. LOL =P
  • k z - re: WP? Pls shut up!
    [quote=Singapoorean]Jacys are you speaking on behalf of WP? Does WP not agree or abide by the constitution? If yes then please shut up![/quote]

    if we want a full democracy with everyone has the freedom of expression. that means jacys has every right to say what he/she wants just like u have the right to say watever u want
  • Anonymous - re: re: WP? Pls shut up!
    [quote=k z][quote=Singapoorean]Jacys are you speaking on behalf of WP? Does WP not agree or abide by the constitution? If yes then please shut up![/quote]

    if we want a full democracy with everyone has the freedom of expression. that means jacys has every right to say what he/she wants just like u have the right to say watever u want[/quote]

    Yes jacys does have the right to say whatever he wants, and he has the right to NOT shut up too. It's not like who says "shut up" has any ability to enforce such a request.

    And it's good to know that SDP website moderators allowed even such a comment.

    It's great anyway, that more WP members make fools out of their own party online :)
  • NOT MY SDP - 3 SDP Activists Tak Boleh Tahan and Give Up
    TBT Traitor 1: Ng E-jay

    When the trial started in the morning, Ng E-jay can't wait to just plead guilty.

    TBT Traitor 2: Jeffrey George

    In order to be able to attend work on time, Jeffrey George thought of an ingenious idea. He decided to plead guilty since SDP donations could subsidise his penalties.

    TBT Traitor 3: Yap Keng Ho

    When cross-examining the police photographer, Yap Keng Ho repeatedly ask questions about the camera being used. He asked about the flash used to establish authenticity, thereby dropping hints that he didn't stand for TBT campaign and thus disassociating himself from the group. He's smart in not pleading guilty since he knows SDP donations are too little and can't help him much. The other 15 noticed that and lost patience with him. Chia Ti Lik even allied with the Prosecutor to get Yap Keng Ho to shut up!
  • jacys - FACTS speak for themselves
    Sorry guys and girls if the awful truth hurts.

    SDP has to face up to reality. What has Dr Chee achieve so far other than to destroy SDP ?

    When Mr Chiam See Tong is in charge of SDP, SDP was the largest opposition party in Singapore with 3 seats in Parliament.

    Now SDP is going to be folded up as it is unable to pay off the defamation charges awarded against it.

    As an outsider, it really pains me to see Mr Chiam's efforts going down the drain.

    WP has two MPs in Parliament, SDP has ZERO.

    WP won 38.6% of valid votes during last GE, SDP only 20%.

    When will Dr Chee wake up his stupid idea ?

    Civil activism doesn't work in Singapore.

    Without support from the masses, you are bound to fail.

    At least JBJ got into Parliament. What about Dr Chee ? He has no political future in Singapore.

    Please for the sake of the opposition, do the right thing and disband SDP and leave Singapore !

    Only then will WP stand a better chance of capturing a GRC in 2011.
  • JP
    [quote]Restrictions of freedom of assembly and speech, do not necessarily countermand the Constitution. Thus, this freedom, we all must admit, is not incompatible with banning public assembly for viewing pornography.[/quote]

    Irrespective of weather there's an assembly or not, freedom to the viewing of pornography and freedom to assembly and speech are two different things IMO.

    But I understood where you were getting and I agree.
  • Bernard Chan
    Just stop a moment and imagine that Dr. Chee has gone through law shcool and his is a trained lawyer. Just imagine, just imagine how much more fearful LHL would be.

    Way to go Dr. Chee!
  • ah beng - to hell forever
    This whole society is turning to shit and it's going down.
  • ah beng - authorities arrested plants
    Check out the story on TOC website about how the gahmen destroyed a herb garden raised by senior citizens in AMK. So much for the Active Aging campaign. I hope S'porens, including the aged, wake up finally to reality in this cuntry. This place is starting to rot from within.
  • Singapoorean - Jacys do well to shup up!
    I asked Jacys to shut up as he does not speak for the WP in any official capacity. As he puts it, "As a WP member, I sincerely urge you to stop the nonsense which will destroy the good work done by others". Likewise I am telling him to stop his nonsense.

    Take the cue from WP - they are silent on almost everything - constitutional matters and political. And WP shut up! Jacys will do well to learn from his party's stance instead of telling others to learn from WP.
  • k z
    ya so im just saying that this is wat full democracy is
    and singapore should never become a full democracy. just like the govt says you can say wat you want as long as you can back it up.

    but lately ive been seeing that the govt cant back up wat its saying while sdp gets fired (or sued) for saying and doing stuff that they can back up....
    and in this case they are backing it up on our constitution
    isnt that wat countries are built on.... the constitution
  • k z - re: FACTS speak for themselves
    [quote=jacys]Sorry guys and girls if the awful truth hurts.

    SDP has to face up to reality. What has Dr Chee achieve so far other than to destroy SDP ?

    When Mr Chiam See Tong is in charge of SDP, SDP was the largest opposition party in Singapore with 3 seats in Parliament.

    Now SDP is going to be folded up as it is unable to pay off the defamation charges awarded against it.

    As an outsider, it really pains me to see Mr Chiam's efforts going down the drain.

    WP has two MPs in Parliament, SDP has ZERO.

    WP won 38.6% of valid votes during last GE, SDP only 20%.

    When will Dr Chee wake up his stupid idea ?

    Civil activism doesn't work in Singapore.

    Without support from the masses, you are bound to fail.

    At least JBJ got into Parliament. What about Dr Chee ? He has no political future in Singapore.

    Please for the sake of the opposition, do the right thing and disband SDP and leave Singapore !

    Only then will WP stand a better chance of capturing a GRC in 2011.[/quote]

    you give those numbers
    but how many ppl dont vote for the sdp because of the numbers on the voting slips
    how many ppl dont openly support the sdp because of fear of the govt
    i dont even go to the sdp website when im in singapore thats how scared the govt has made us

    i admit that i dont support everything the sdp stands for but theres a reason why the govts gone all out against the sdp. because it knows its waking singaporeans idea up.

    and about wat u said about JBJ. did you see him again in parliament after he won anson. no because pap did everything to keep him out just like they are doing to sdp.
  • About Time - The Shame Of Oppo. Political Parties
    jacys

    Support WP? No way.

    That will be an equal to elect another LKY who is known as Low Thia Kiang to run this country. A betrayer to his own comrade (late JBJ) and a betrayer for Singapore citizens. He and Chiam See Tong are shameful sitters for opposition in Parliament seats. They are the ones who makes a whole lot of Singaporean have doubts about having alternative voices towards the government. They are the underdogs. They certainly cannot run this country if they were to be elected because they couldn't even stand to voice for their own residents, let alone the whole nation.

    Why are they being allowed to sit for so long in Parliament despite not having the charisma in their 'voices'? In my opinion, they are only helping to make PAP looks good and nothing else!!

    They are the SHAME for all political parties, CST, LTK and SL.
  • SDP Mirror (Always infer the w - Chia T L vs Yap K H
    Interfering the worst as always, there must be a serious clash bw the 2. Afterall, if you read what Chia has to say about Yap in his blog - he calls Yap someone who wants to be a "one man army", who "often places explosives too close to the infantry." (Chia refers to the SDP as the infantry.) "He therefore should not intervene into operations of the Infantry and yet refuse to obey a co-ordinated attack plan." Just a shame that lawyer Chia must attack Yap in the open court. And to add to all that, we now have people attacking the WP on this site. Cool :)
  • JC - Constitution hijacked
    It seems that our ruling party has already hijacked the constitution by having 14(2) to overpower 14(1):

    ----------
    (2) Parliament may by law impose —

    (a) on the rights conferred by clause (1) (a), such restrictions as it considers necessary or expedient in the interest of the security of Singapore or any part thereof, friendly relations with other countries, public order or morality and restrictions designed to protect the privileges of Parliament or to provide against contempt of court, defamation or incitement to any offence;

    (b) on the right conferred by clause (1) (b), such restrictions as it considers necessary or expedient in the interest of the security of Singapore or any part thereof or public order; ...
    ----------

    It seems that we can only hope to amend the constitution one day to have true freedom, when we manage to overthrow the ruling party.
  • Henry Windgates - Don't give up, SDP!
    You've got to admire Chee Soon Juan and SDP's tenacity.

    I mean, seeing them working so hard to fight for a real democracy and a true justice for all in the court makes me question: should Singaporeans continue letting themselves being constantly antagonized by the government and allow the ruling party to continue exploit them by demanding preposterous amount of taxes, making this country a very unsafe place to live in? I wonder.
  • David (ShittyMike's worst nigh
    Mike (Hooligan David's Enemy),
    "Increasingly more people only see WP as a NATO -- No Action Talk Only."

    you finally utter some good sense. You have start using your brain instead of your dick to think. Did eating the shit and smelling fart of the pitiful old man wake you up. If not, continue to eat more shit.

    Cannot attack SDP, attack WP ? How shitty can Mike go ?
    Go eat more shit.
  • Mike (Hooligan David's Enemy) - Huh, HOOLIGAN still around here ?
    [quote=David (ShittyMike's worst nigh]Mike (Hooligan David's Enemy),
    "Increasingly more people only see WP as a NATO -- No Action Talk Only."

    you finally utter some good sense. You have start using your brain instead of your dick to think. Did eating the shit and smelling fart of the pitiful old man wake you up. If not, continue to eat more shit.

    Cannot attack SDP, attack WP ? How shitty can Mike go ?
    Go eat more shit.[/quote]

    "Cannot attack SDP, attack WP ?". I attack your head first.

    Even a PIG like me have more brain than [b]jacys[/b].

    Time to go back and eat my masters' shit. I AM THEIR PIG !!
  • Husrin
    Eh ah beng. I hafta say this ah.



    I think you're the best ah.


    Come back Singapore pleaseee. We need more fellers like you!


    :)
  • David (ShittyMike's nightmare)
    "I attack your head first."

    No wonder my head start to smell like shit because ShittyMike's after digging the shit out of old fart's ass never watch his hand.

    "Time to go back and eat my masters' shit. I AM THEIR PIG !!"

    You are not only their pig, you are their monkey, turkey, kangaroo etc.

    Eat more shit !
  • jacys - To abouttime: I dare you to put down your real nam
    I challenge you to put down your real name and let's see if Mr Low will SUE you.

    Mr Low is a respected opposition leader who has been MP for 17 years.

    What about Dr Chee ? He is only fit to smell the fart of Mr Low.

    Without SDP creating trouble and giving the opposition a bad name, more people will join WP.

    What hope does SDP have ? In case you don't know, TOC is run by an ex-WP member. Do you think we will bother to publish your nonsense too ?

    I am not here to stir up a fight. I just hope you guys can see the stupidity of persisting in your childish acts.

    Even Tan Kin Lian is able to attract a following of a few hundred Singaporeans to listen to him.

    Why not Dr Chee apply to speak for the investors at Hong Lim Park and see if anybody turns up ?

    Don't you get it ? Dr Chee has such a bad name that nobody wants to associate with him.

    Pls pls, if you want WP to win a GRC next, stop your nonsense right now !

    I can't speak for WP, but many in WP share the same sentiments as me.
  • LIM TUNG HEE - Hitting instead of dressing the wound
    Any government must accept dissent as a healthy balance as much as having white blood cells in our body.If the PAP government strongly rejects the Constitutional right to assembly,it must justify the action.
    To silence the citizens'anxieties and concern of a spiralling price hike is like hitting an injured child groaning in pain (so that he would stop groaning).Isn't it commonplace for even the most developed countries to have peaceful protests nowadays? Just like a barometer,a protest signals a necessary redress.Unless,we still believe the citizenry is still immature after some 40 years under one same government.
    The opposition's attempt to highlight the issue or citizens' plight should be viewed in perspective.Afterall,they are our very own citizens too!
  • Mike - To jacys
    Teh Cheang Wan also served 17 years from 1979-1986 ... before he pissed LKY off he was squeaky clean too.

    Length of service does not matter. What matters is ... how that person has outperform an average person.

    As such, LKY's performance should be benchmark against the leaders of Korea, Taiwan, and Hong Kong.

    Do you really want to compare the state of Singapore vs those other places?

    LKY is at best very mediocre. After so much progress, the ugly Singaporeans remain ugly.
  • About Time - This Proves My Call
    jacys said, "I challenge you to put down your real name and let's see if Mr Low will [b]SUE[/b] you."

    My call, "That will be an equal to elect [b]another LKY[/b] who is known as Low Thia Kiang to run this country."

    Now I'm suggesting jacys to ask LTK what is the meaning of 'mad dog' to him. Please.. do ask why 'mad dog'? Haha..
  • jacys - We all know who the mad dog is
    Isn't it obvious which "mad dog" Mr Low is referring to ?

    A mad dog which only barks, barks and barks, but never bites.

    A mad dog which shouted at our then PM, Mr Goh during walkabouts "where is our money !"

    A mad dog which calls for a hunger strike, but drink glucose water secretly.

    A mad dog which calls for protests, but only a few stray dogs turn up.

    A mad dog which goes down on his knees to beg for foreign sympathy but ignored by Singaporeans at home.

    Now you know Mr Low doesn't want to associate with this "mad dog" ?

    Anyway, SDP will soon be HISTORY.

    If you guys wanna join WP, make sure you behave yourself first.

    But seriously, I hope Mr Low won't take in any SDP retards. I will consider quitting if any of you join.
  • About Time - Mad Dog LTK
    jacys, if you were at the Reform Party Inauguration Dinner.. you should have seen someone came up to LTK and teased him about maddog LoL

    A Mad Dog LTK insin (no indeed)... he left that 3 second chance!! Used to feel happy that he asked the Q but then when I think about it.. he is only doing his Wayang act.. what a WP (Wayang Party)!! I cannot make myself agree anymore with WP after every good and capable politicians there have to leave the party. Tell me... why GCT is asking about Hougang Constituency arh?? Why allow PAP member question him via his constituency? What happened? His contract with PAP finish already is it?
  • Mike - to Jacys -
    Even if the dog is MAD, the big question is ... he is barking at the right THIEVES?

    It should be the alleged thieves that we should worry about. Look at the issues. Look at what they have done. Let's not focus on the "dog". At this moment, he is not the one ruining us.
  • James Teo
    Jacys, lets just forget about posting anything against the SDP or CSJ here, no matter how strongly you feel. Here are a few reasons:

    1. The moment you make a point against them, their supporters will, without hesistation, shoot you down to the ground, no matter how valid your point is, and often with a good dose of immaturity. Hence, it is no longer a 2 way discussion.

    2. Comments are screened before they are allowed here. Hence, the really strong comments are disallowed, for fear of them losing credibility. I challenge the SDP to allow all comments and screen only comments with vulgarities and insult, for example, use of unpatriotic words such as 'Sinkapoor'.

    The SDP can hold up banners which read 'I Love Singapore', but yet, its supporters seem to portray the party's intention as otherwise. Judging by this, I reckon the SDP still has a very long way to go before they can command any basic recognition as a valid opposition party.
  • About Time - To The Underdogs
    You all make me laugh hard. With jacys' first comment already implying that he was the one who carries the 'gun' to this website. He shot his own foot and now some sympathizers are giving some 'comforting' stories to jacys.

    About WP is no longer a conspiracy theory anymore. Closely knitted to PAP.
  • Anonymous
    the watchdog can only watch even he is being robbed. the "mad-dog" managed to get some stolen goods back after chasing after the robber. So Jacy how to learn from the WP
  • jacys - To James: SDP supporters are pathetic
    Yeah bro, SDP supporters are crap. How many of them turn up to support Dr Chee, I wonder ?

    I am just concerned they will give the opposition including WP a bad name.

    If Chee is still around by 2011, WP will face an uphill task to capture a GRC as the PAP will surely make an example out of SDP.

    Sometimes I wonder if Chee is a PAP mole sent in to destroy the opposition.

    Who is supporting him and his family now that he has been bankrupted ?

    Something is amiss.
  • lol
    my grandma has a saying about today's kids...slow to learn from the good but quick to jiah sai.

    LOL

    and my grandpa wld quip...why you bother, it's their mouth. they can put anything they want in there even a stick that whisper.

    LOL
  • G Chen
    To jacy -

    [quote=jacys] Protest, get arrested, argue in court, jail, released, protest again. This seems to be pathetic low life of Chee Soon Juan. When will it ever end ? [/quote]

    This is not called pathetic life but one with passion. Pathetic are people who have grievances and yet do nothing about it.

    [quote=jacys] While Mr Low and Ms Sylvia Lim are serving the people, SDP has to sabotage their efforts behind. [/quote]

    Again you suffered from "verbal diarrhoea" without showing any proof. I could similarly say that the only reason why WP did well in the last election is partly due to SDP. Anyway whose “behind” are you talking about? I thought all these things which SDP are doing are out in the open, so much so that even morons like you know about it.

    [quote=jacys] How much taxpayers' money have gone to waste because of these SDP morons ? Sorry to be offensive, but I think you don't even deserve the free food at Changi ! Next time Chee and Co landed themselves in jail, the prison warden should ask them to bring their own food. [/quote]

    Well, only a moron or a hypocrite would apologized for being offensive and yet continues to be redundantly offensive. Unless it is the SDP who requested the government to initiate such action against them, shouldn’t you be blaming the government instead of SDP for wasting taxpayer’s money? Take an example of the 2006 Hong Park protest where hundreds of police were sent to monitor the SDP, wouldn’t the government have save tax payers money if it had known then what it knows now, i.e. to allow protest at Hong Lim Park? In fact, for this I should consider SDP visionaries.

    [quote=jacys] STOP WASTING TAXPAYERS' MONEY ON BOLIAO MATTERS LIKE THIS !!! GROW UP AND GET A LIFE !!! LEARN FROM WP AND BE A CONSTRUCTIVE OPPOSITION, PLS !!! [/quote]

    Boliao are people who come to another’s website to stir trouble and even worse to try to create a division within opposition supporters. Again you are trying to convince us that WP is a constructive opposition without explaining what constructive thing have they done? But I have yet to read SDP calling WP unconstructive so perhaps you are referring to the PAP then. So are you calling Dr Ng Eng Hen a liar? If so, aren’t you at the wrong website? Shouldn’t you be posting your support for WP at the PAP’s websites instead?

    [quote=jacys] SDP supporters behave like hooligans in their own forum, but when it comes to the real thing, they all chicken out !! Did you attend TBT ?? Did you even attend the court hearing of your idol Dr Chee ?? Only know how to hide behind the PC and moan, moan and moan ! What a bunch of idiots! [/quote]

    Well according to Cambridge dictionary, a hooligan refers to a person who acts in a violent way without thinking and causes damage: so I do not know how SDP supporters can be considered “hooligans” in a forum? examples please?. But again, I guess you are so used to using all the PAP’s terminology that you just brainlessly use it whether or not it is appropriate for the situation. As for whether or not SDP supporters attended TBT or not, is it really your concern? Don’t you think your major concern now is to upgrade your level of intellect so that you could post much more “constructive” comment in the future? And who are you to jump to the conclusion that they did not attend the court hearing? Sigh, I guess it is true that fools rarely realize their foolishness…referring to none other than you Jacys, of course.
  • Richard Kong - Get Real, Be Real!
    I admire Jacys for his gut to influence the forummers to wake up from the dreamland to Get Real, Be Real! of the opposition cause in Singapore. Keep on educating them that we are living in a real world and not Utopia!
  • jacys - Pathetic SDP set up wayangparty
    Is this why SDP members set up the wayangparty blog to take cheap pot shots at WP behind its back ?

    try harder, your readership is still far below TOC's !
  • Anonymous - re: Pathetic SDP set up wayangparty
    [quote=jacys]Is this why SDP members set up the wayangparty blog to take cheap pot shots at WP behind its back ?

    try harder, your readership is still far below TOC's ![/quote]

    Haha. Please don't stop posting such rumors, allegations and falsities!

    It really helps tarnish your WP's image in public :)
  • jacys - WP's image is far better than SDP
    Don't worry cos' WP is very well regarded as a constructive opposition in the eyes of many Singaporeans.

    Mr Low is a highly respected statesman.

    As for Chee, who cares a heck about him ?
  • About Time - This I Must Say!!
    [quote=jacys]
    As for Chee, who cares a heck about him ?[/quote]

    Dr Chee has one of the best and supportive wife in this world. Tell you what..... SHE CARES!!!

    jacys is just a sore loser. If you can fail to persuade me to believe in WP, it shows you have not master your political skills LoL
  • muBARACK OBAMA bin Ladin - SGP & Singaporeans can sink for all we care
    [quote]If, even in a broken country like Zimbabwe, its High Court judges are brave enough to rule against the will of dictator Mugabe; if even in politially chaotic Pakistan, its Chief Justice refused to be cowed by all-powerful military dictator President Musharraf, what does this say of the moral courage of S'pore's courts?[/quote]


    Rather:
    "What does this say about the MORAL COURAGE of ALL SINGAPOREANS?"
    Island of losers, that's what.

    And thank God, you're but an island & a population of but 5 million - or the world's gonna pick up the wrong things from you sons & daughters of coolie class.
  • Anonymous
    [quote]Don't worry cos' WP is very well regarded as a constructive opposition in the eyes of many Singaporeans.[/quote]

    Yes, yes, yes, you are the good Opposition, we all know that. Old man has been singing your Party Head's praises all along, hasn't he?

    And to prove the point, had (through Khaw Boon Wan and the hospital in question) sent him a gift hamper or fruit basket too - who know WHAT'$$$ inside it, haha - when Tiochiu Boy went to hospital to remove his piles (or tongue - for telling lies?).



    [quote]Mr Low is a highly respected statesman.[/quote]

    Har??????????? "Statesman"!!? Wow,
    barely a politician for less than 2 decades and now what? A STATESMAN!!!!
    yea, yea, yea, if he could eventually return to Swatow and head that 'state' (hey, it aint even a province!).
    Or maybe you meant the State of Hougang?

    All I can say is, Tiochiu Boy has done his ancestors loads of shame by kowtowing to the Hakka Lees, so he should now honorably give up his surname LOW and change it to POH.

    Name too - to LUM PAH.

    Yes, POH LUM PAH!
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