Singapore Democrats

They have clearly gone bonkers. It's going to become the new dimension of an already ridiculous atate of affairs in this country. This is a sign of desperation and a gamble. Hope they understand something called BLOWBACK.
What's next? Political websites and forums? Bloggers and Forumners? What I'm most concerned about is that they no longer care how they look to the eyes of the international community.

If you sit on the grass at Speakers' Corner to protest..

If you sit stand on the grass at Speakers' Corner to protest...

Last time, not okay.

Now, okay.

But the thing that happened before the annoucement, okay or not?

Ask the judge.

But protest what and who goes to see?

Even during WB-IMF that time, passerbys also scared to be near the protesters...

That time is dun know protest what..

Not TBT yet and not inflation yet..

"Did someone say that Mr Lee Hsien Loong was liberalising politics in Singapore in his recent National Day Rally speech? [b]Even distributing flyers are now not allowed![/b]"

Opening up? My foot!

[quote=Anonymous]"Did someone say that Mr Lee Hsien Loong was liberalising politics in Singapore in his recent National Day Rally speech? [b]Even distributing flyers are now not allowed![/b]"

Opening up? My foot![/quote]

Well, things will get worse [for the SDP] before they get better [for all Singaporeans, including other opposition parties who are keeping dead silent now].

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.

- Pastor Martin Niemöller

[quote]
If you sit on the grass at Speakers' Corner to protest..

If you sit stand on the grass at Speakers' Corner to protest...

Last time, not okay.

Now, okay.

But the thing that happened before the annoucement, okay or not?

Ask the judge.

But protest what and who goes to see?

Even during WB-IMF that time, passerbys also scared to be near the protesters...

That time is dun know protest what..

Not TBT yet and not inflation yet..
[/quote]

Hi Mike,

geylang cat40 now increase cat50 liao. You got go protest?

Pretend to liberalize and let people protest in order to trap them.

Protest now (2008/2009) and get arrested in 2011 during election to deny people their votes.

Mike Teo wrote:
SDP, what more to you want? Relax certain regulations also not enough.

Hi Mike,
What "relax certain regulations" especially via internet. Trying to fool yourself or appear stupid?

How to control internet? If internet posting and forum can be controlled, do you think they will said relax regualtion? Things that is not within your control then how to self proclaimed that we hav relaxed the control as in the first place YOU do not have the means or ability to control or to regulate?

Hahahaha, try to fool us local born Singaporean again?

Beside the government mistake of the old policies that "Stop At 2, the More you Have, the Less you Get" see, a very well written statement which sings like a song that a eight years old boy can remember that even after so many years!

Maybe the government failed to see that education allows one to think critically with sense and could not be easily fooled by lip service.

Anyway, I dont own the Government for my education as I have fully paid for the so call "subsidized" primary, secondary and polytechinc education by fully served out my National Service with real peanut pay and my precious youth.

Anyway, I now understood nothing is free for being a local born Singaporean. You will still have to pay but maybe pay less.

Wonder if we have 3.6 millions of local born Singaporean? If yes, it works out we local born Singaporean is contributing to $1 per month to our PM monthly salary, a consolation which the PAP could use to justify for the PM pay! (excluding the MM, SM, Minister pay which I have not try to justify for them yet).

Singaporean is asked to keep our belt tight and accept lower pay while our PAP minister must be paid Top Dollars to govern the red dot. We understand by reducing the salaries of our Political Top Gun will not turn the economic overnight around but the question is are these Political Top Gun with us (Singaporean)or not?

Imagine the General of an army is having good food to justify that they need to think and working out stategic battle plan while the fighting soldier are requested to have tree roots to fill their stomach, and these General is justifying by saying what ever can be eaten to fill your stomach is food no matter what you call them (thing can be eaten is food and food is food).

Do you think battle can be won by just Top General without fighting soldier? Maybe they can only win battle on paper! Sad......

The International Bar Association's damning report on human right violations in Singapore and its request for changes to be implemented, which foreigners as well as Singaporeans can read in the Internet, has greatly embarrassed LKY and his gang. He's been pushed to the wall, and finally caved in a little with his token liberalisations, just to show that he's doing something. Whatever, the IBA's report has helped. Kudos to IBA.

I feel that if SDP members think that they are unjustly treated, they MUST feedback to the IBA.

PAP says that they are strict on demonstrations because they do not want it to get out of control and people will be hurt. That is a valid excuse, but
you don't need much intelligence to see that, after
knowing PAP for more than 40 years, the real reason is they don't want to be overthrown, like what happened in other countries - Myanmar,
Philippines, etc. They don't really care about the
people. Proof: If you suffer from kidney failure and have no money for dialysis or transplant, you DIE! The government will NOT save you! They put themselves above the people, because they are crazy for power.

Someone please tell LKY and Goh Chok Tong to retire gracefully. The PM and his cabinet can do the job, just like when LKY was the PM - there were no MM and SM portfolios - and yet he did his job pretty well. And these 2 posts pay more than $200,000 a month. It's a sheer waste of tax-payers' money. I was told their individual pay is more than the pay of the President of the United States. Singapore has only 4 million people, the US, 350 million. And the US President has a million times more responsibility and stress than our PM, MM and SM combined. They' re really thick-skinned for increasing their own pays, and to such a high level. The MM and SM posts are absolutely unnecessary, for one reason I mentioned earlier and also because of the fact it doesn't exist in other countries, eg, Britain. These posts were created just so that LKY and GCT can remain in control and be paid handsomely. They don't suffer the stress and responsibility of the PM, and yet they're receiving pays which are probably higher than the PM's. LKY and PM are a family. LKY can mentor his son anytime privately. He doesn't need to be in the cabinet and waste more than $100,000 dollars a month which can do wonders for the needy in Singapore.

It is shameful LKY is still crazy for power when he's almost 90. Many people around his age are senile.
The signs are there that he should step down now. At a ND rally speech recently, he said only PAP could govern Singapore well. Having a coalition was harmful to Singapore. He then gave examples of Asian countries which suffered because of that. He must be thinking the public were idiots. All the developed countries in the world are run by a coalition government! Why didn't he say that. He will only say things to support what he wants to say. So what LKY says must be taken with a pinch of salt. He knows now that the whole world and Singaporeans know what a human right violator the PAP is. Whatever he says is probably to save face for himself. Or senility has set in already...

If PAP is overthrown, those guilty of excesses must
be brought to justice.

LKY only dreams up the post of Minister Mentor for himself so that he can continue to draw fat pay, leeching the people of Singapore dry! You mean the current cabinet is so incompetent they need to be mentored by a senile old man? Does this sound right? We're paying more money than any other countries for ministers who still need mentoring? We're being ripped off! We're the laughing stock of the world - the country that pays millions to their ministers and not getting their money's worth!

Singapore is unique. If this was Zimbabwe, you woud hear international condemnation or sacntions. If this was Iraq, you would hear American soliders. But this is Singapore. It has never been accused of human rights violations by the West.

Of course, the King of Cowards, LKY dares not spill blood. Once spilt, a vicious circle of violence occurs that is irreversible that will accelerate the end of Singapore and his regime.

Its not like China where it can defend itself. All USA has to do is to wiggle its little finger and Singapore has to kowtow in response.

TEMASEK Holdings' assets rose to S$185 billion as at March 31 from S$164 billion a year ago, said its chairman S. Dhanabalan on Thursday.
Speaking at a luncheon organised by entrepreneurs network TiE Singapore, he said Temasek, which already owns large stakes in lenders such as Merrill Lynch and Barclays, was prepared to invest more money in Western banks if the opportunity arose.

Mr Dhanabalan said Temasek is different from other sovereign funds as it does not manage national reserves. Rather it is a holding company for stakes in companies such as Singapore Telecommunications and Singapore Airlines, formerly held by the Government.

It also sets "the gold standard for transparency" with Norway's sovereign wealth funds, he added.

Temasek said in its annual report for the financial year to March 2007 that its assets stood at S$164 billion. It will release its 2007/2008 annual report next Tuesday.

The Singapore government had injected a little under S$30 billion in assets and cash into Temasek since it was set up in 1974, Mr Dhanabalan said.

Temasek, the smaller of Singapore's two wealth funds, has been seeking investments outside its core markets of Asia excluding Japan in search of higher returns and to diversify its portfolio.

In his address, Mr Dhanabalan said Singapore and Asia account for nearly 75 per cent of Temasek's investments, down from 78 per cent reported a year earlier.

He said Temasek aims to have in the long run about one third of its assets in Singapore, another one third in emerging markets and the remainder in the developed markets.

It is recruiting staff for new offices in Mexico and Brazil that will be set up this year .

Difference being that if accounting magic tricks are used, will never be disclosed. and perpetrators will never get punished whereas whistleblowers probably would "disappear".

"I am the Chairman of the Singapore Democratic Party. My colleagues and I are citizens of this country and not slaves without any rights to be dragged before you. The charges that we face are in complete violation of our basic rights to freedoms of speech, assembly and expression that are enshrined in our Constitution.

"The so-called offences were supposed to have been committed some two years ago. It's strange that in our uniquely Singapore it has taken the authorities such a long time to bring us before you. This is absurd! If we are considered to have committed the offences then the very existence of our country's Constitution and the national pledge make no sense."

It does knock on audiences' head including the police/media people who were in court..

Great Words!

[quote=jimmy]If PAP is overthrown, those guilty of excesses must
be brought to justice.[/quote]

Not only that... the money in their hands should be seized and return to National Reserve! Money returned can be use for Singapore's free health care and free transport for the elderly. Free education for primary and lower secondary schools for our young. NS men should get free transportation too.

Mike - Okay in Speakers' Corner

Hello, protests for the sake of protesting to allow the foreigners coming for the WB-IMF meeting to see Singapore dont have laws for human rights mah, no freedom to walk, no freedom for every damned things. Very simple, only the Singapore Democrats is above the law. Is just as simple as that.

TMC - Temasek's assets rise to $185b

Just give 10% to Singapore Desperate Party, there will be no more protests, I can guarantee you.

I beg to differ. If SDP has 18.5B, PAP is doomed.

[quote=anonymous]TMC - Temasek's assets rise to $185b

Just give 10% to Singapore Desperate Party, there will be no more protests, I can guarantee you.[/quote]

Are you trying to say that receiving of money was also was kept Low Thia Kiang silent in parliment?

[quote=anonymous]TMC - Temasek's assets rise to $185b

Just give 10% to Singapore Desperate Party, there will be no more protests, I can guarantee you.[/quote]

PAP ministers are setting a bad role model. To them money is everything in life. If SDP is after the money, do you think Mr and Ms Chee still stay in Singapore to face the ridicule of PAP kangaroo courts?

[quote=Mike2]Mike - Okay in Speakers' Corner

Hello, protests for the sake of protesting to allow the foreigners coming for the WB-IMF meeting to see Singapore dont have laws for human rights mah, no freedom to walk, no freedom for every damned things. Very simple, only the Singapore Democrats is above the law. Is just as simple as that.[/quote]

Truth is above the law.

1) Why is it LKY could shamelessly up his pay and other ministers' pays to a level more than the US President's pay? Why is it he can do anything he wants? This is abuse of power! Another example, LKY creating the SM and MM posts for himself so that he could continue to be in power and earn a fat paycheck without the stress and responsibility of a PM. But that costs taxpayers $200,000 a month. And these 2 positions are unnecessary, as LKY proved it when he was PM - no MM and SM to help him - and he still did his job well. It doesn't exist in other countries also. ABUSE OF POWER!

2) Why is it when you write to the press to complain about the government so that they will improve, your letter is always never published? Why is the government allowed to control the media?

3) Why is it public transport fares, which are controlled by the government, are always increasing and never coming down, even when it is a very bad recession, and the people need public transport to go to and from work? In a recession, the government will tell workers to bear with employer's CPF cut and wage freeze to help the economy, but they never in return help the workers by reducing transport fares. Why does this continue?

4) Why do we need a licence to protest the wrongdoing of the government as they will never give it to us? How then do we tell the government their mistakes, as our grievances are not allowed in the media also? All of us make mistakes. Only God does not.

5) Why do judges continue to be appointed by the Prime Minister's Office (as in the International Bar Assn's report) so that they will keep on being beholden to the PM and the PAP leadership?

6) I have done national service, and pledged to die for my country. But when I have kidney failure, and can't pay for dialysis and a transplant, I DIE. The government won't save me, even though they have tons of money. Same thing when I am retrenched and can't find a job and my family is starving. The government won't help. And they say we are a first world country. Economically, yes, but in terms of government welfare, it's third world. A small disgruntled group of people can't affect PAP much in an election, so they ignore their plight. They work hard on the economy and upgrade HDB blocks because it affects a lot of people, so that they can win their votes and stay in power. These are true first world countries: US, Japan, Britain, Canada, Australia, etc, for they really care for every one of their citizens. Why is our government allowed to be heartless?

The answer to all the questions is, because there is no opposition in the government as checks and balances. And yet LKY recently said having opposition in the government was harmful to Singapore. Only PAP could govern Singapore well.
He's either power-crazy until his last days on earth
or senility has taken over him...

For LKY's own good, he should remember what happened to other dictators in the world: Benito
Mussolini (hanged), Nicolae Ceausescu (shot) and
Saddam Hussein (hanged). All that is needed is an
opposition figure of his leadership, ability and dedication to politics, like our own Anwar, to surface and he is in big trouble. I am very sure that day must come as more and more Singaporeans are highly educated, knowledgeable ( through the Internet mainly); and they want their
rights and a fair, just and caring government.

[quote][b]Pretend to liberalize and let people protest in order to trap them.

Protest now (2008/2009) and get arrested in 2011 during election to deny people their votes[/b][/quote]

WORDS OF WISDOM INDEED!

YOU ARE A TALENTED SINGAPOREAN!

THIS IS MAFIA LEE'S STYLE!

[b][quote]"I am the Chairman of the Singapore Democratic Party. My colleagues and I are citizens of this country and not slaves without any rights to be dragged before you. The charges that we face are in complete violation of our basic rights to freedoms of speech, assembly and expression that are enshrined in our Constitution. [/quote][/b]

[color=red][b]Judge study so much also don't his rights as a citizen what a shame!

Shame!Shame! Shame![/b][/color]

A man is being forced by his despicable
gangster chief to rape his own brother,
sister, mother, father, cousin, auntie,
uncle, daughter, son, grandfather, grandmother, neighbour's son, daughter, wife. Need I go on?

For the dignity of, and respect due to the State and its judiciary to be maintained, official dealings with the people must be seen and felt to be impersonal, in strict compliance with the principle of equality before the law.

It should never have been possible for power to be wielded such that LKY could say, according to the late Devan Nair, that he controlled every branch of the executive, and could therefore make JBJ "crawl and beg for mercy".

It should never be possible for the machinery of the state to be so demeaned as to be even conceivable as mere means for such personal vindictiveness.

Responsible governance includes importantly, not ever tolerating, leave alone doing, anything that might raise the least doubt about the impersonal "rule of law".

In this spirit, one would expect that, as the government has announced the relaxing of strictures on freedom of assembly and public protest, and, indeed, even conceded that some of those strictures had been unnecessary, all this should now be taken into account in SDP's present cases before the courts.

No doubt, the "offences" were committed under the old laws, and new laws cannot be applied retropectively; but to strictly adhere to this is to apply the law according to its letter and not its spirit.

The discretion given to the AO not to frame, to frame with lesser or graver severity, to revise, and to withdraw charges, is precisely to allow for law to be applied in the right spirit, taking into consideration such changed scenarios as the relaxation of those strictures the SDP activists are charged under.

But instead of what normally should be the case, the AO seems not only to be maintaining, but even adding to the charges. Even the charge of assembling at Hong Lim Park is to stand.

Then can one be blamed for suspecting here the thwarting of the impersonal, dispassionate, motiveless, stately and dignified upholding of equality and justice before the law?

I want to add another question to "Fed Up's"
eye-opening list.

Why was it easy for Lee Hsien Loong to become PM?
The answer is, his father was in control, and there
was no opposition in the government. Forget about
the opposition MPs. They were quiet, timid and largely ineffective. LKY was/is not afraid of them. Also, of course, no LKY puppets in the PAP would dare talk bad about their boss and his son. Was Lee Hsien Loong really the best man or was it nepotism? No prize for answering that right.

Nepotism is a criminal offence, isn't it? In Fed Up's letter, it is shown LKY and his gang are also guilty of abuse of power, squandering taxpayers' money and human right violations. My goodness, that's a lot! The opposition should take advantage of it, tell the people about the PAP's trangressions and fight for them to be charged in court. They have no mercy for the opposition, so why should the opposition have mercy on them.

[quote=Don't Like Any political party]Singapore is unique. If this was Zimbabwe, you woud hear international condemnation or sacntions. If this was Iraq, you would hear American soliders. But this is Singapore. It has never been accused of human rights violations by the West.[/quote]

Not any more! The IBA was the first to throw in the towel. Others are slowly following suit. Rejoice, Bro!

"Don't Like Any Political Party" must be joking when he said the West had never criticized our government for human right violations! Obviously, he must be rather young or sleeping or both. I think I'm old enough to be his father.

For decades LKY has been criticized by Westerners for his dictatorship. It's in their media, and foreigners you met/meet would touch on LKY's repression. He's world famous for his infamy! One of his earliest human right violations is, in the 70's, he would put up posters at government counters telling people they would be served last if they had long hair. I was around so I knew what I am talking about.

"Don't Like Any Political Party" must also be kooning (sleeping) for saying what he said! Tell him to go to the International Bar Association's website and read their 72-page report on PAP's human right abuses.

I think "Don't Like Any Political Party" must be a PAP agent for the nonsense he said to make the PAP look good. If he is, he must be a really dumb agent! Cos it backfired on him. PAP should sack him.

I dare say, if SG allowed gun-ownership like the USA or other similar country, maybe will have some Guerilla warfare already... (think Che Guevara)

People are already fed-up and those at their wits-end wont have anytihng to lose. I was part of NDP during mobile column and I noticed that they were so scared got people do assasination that the MSD people had to thoroughly check all the vehicles and personnel for possession of live ammo.... Feeling scared? Even my little buddhist amulet that fella also want to take a look at closely. That time no camera phone cannot record video...

PM Badawi (m'sia) takes public transport to work (the train) but over here in SG if Ass Loong steps into the train only, u can bet so crowded he kena whacked or pushed around also noone cares. Maybe will be berated by some of us who takes the train too lol...

[quote]I think "Don't Like Any Political Party" must be a PAP agent for the nonsense he said to make the PAP look good. If he is, he must be a really dumb agent! Cos it backfired on him. PAP should sack him.[/quote]

Good luck. WKS is still happily strutting around. You want these fools gone, vote the entire machinery out.

If you watch the Youtube movie "Speakers Cornered" I think it's even possible to charge the police. As an enforcer of the law, they were basically acting more like holigans than law enforcers. They probably got their instruction from the top and can't do much. Fortunately, the police has learnt from their actions that a hard stance is not possble. Frankly, putting their arms together to restrict a person is STUPID!!!!! Never seen such an idotic instruction passed down from the top. The people on the ground the junior officers who are just as well versed in the law are law breakers themselves in this instance. How can you restrain for no logical reason! In current TBT campaingns, have you seen anything so serious that warrants the police arresting those participating in TBT? I think the men & women in the police force have a lot to learn.

I agree with "Anonymous" that money seized from the PAP leadership should be used to better the lives of Singaporeans, which PAP has failed to provide in spite of the government's hugh wealth. For example, free health care, free schooling and free transportation for certain categories of people.

PAP has shortchanged us! We have a first world economy that even the developed world envies, yet life is tough if you don't have enough money, because the cost of living is pretty high, and the government's monetary assistance in this is 0 or just a small token. This is unlike what is the case in real first world countries, eg, USA, Australia and Britain.

In these countries, if you are retrenched and can't find a job soon enough because of your age, and your family is starving and you need to pay your bills, the government's monetary assistance will ensure that no-one starves. And there are other generous welfare schemes for other matters. This is what I call a true first world or developed country. Where every person's well-being is well looked after by the state. In such countries, people are proud to call themselves Americans or Britons
or Australians because their governments really care for them.

In Singapore, it is difficult to feel patriotic, because
the government's help is 0 or minimal when you are desperate for money. They expect you to borrow from family or friends. If you can't pay for a critical medical surgery that costs $30,000, sorry, friend, Heaven is waiting for you. Even though the government is filthy rich, they won't help. If you are too poor to buy medical insurance,
that's your problem. Our government departments are supposed to be non-profit departments, but they operate like business departments. If you can't pay your bills, they are quick with reminders, threatening interest charge, instead of the caring approach by calling to find out why you are late in your payment. You will find bad welfare from
this government sticks out like a sore thumb when you have lived in a real developed country for a while. I have. Everything is pay and pay, no give and give on a scale that really matters, and it comes generous only when election is coming, trying to buy our hearts and minds. Typical despicable, insincere gesture.

Even the developed countries envy Singapore for its wealth. But the ordinary people don't benefit much, cos there are a lot of people still struggling to make ends meet, or finding the money to buy their next meal by scavenging rubbish bins and dumps for cardboards and drink cans that can sell only, at best, a couple of dollars a day. Most of these people are elderly folks. It is a very common sight.

So where has the wealth gone to? Where is the fair distribution of wealth?

I long for the day when our standard of living is truly a first world one.

Guys its more like First World for Themselves (81 bloated ministers).

Honestly, if u r 'selected' as one of the Full Time Minister, just serving one term (5 years), you'll be a millionaire.

Highest paid in the world and governing just a tiny red dot. When things go wrong, there's absolutely no accountability (few examples). Just nod your head and say yes for the one term and you'll be a millionaire.

Can someone tell me whats the meaning of nepotism, cronyism???

We really need someone divine intervention for our tiny red dot before its too late..............

If I never remember wrongly..

The police were last seen wearing their uniforms during the IMF protest...(they now resort to using lady officers, plain clothes / polo tees policemen instead)

This proves that;

1) Martyn See who made the video "Singapore Rebel" did a good job in shaming the men in blue who have clearly overstepped their boundaries as policemen.

2) The police are no longer proud of donning their uniform..which of course means that they are not proud of what they are doing, protecting not the citizens, but their political masters, which they also know is wrong.

3) Maybe they are in the midst of changing the uniform color to white..to represent the party they are protecting..

The IMF WB meetings were to discuss about international economics and the state of poor developing countries. It was not for the SDP to stage a pony and dog show

Have you heaard Bush criticise Singapore? Clinton? Any US President? Any Un Secretary General? These are the powerful players of the WEst, not the Western media. These people have criticised so many other governments except Singapore. Malaysia has been blasted for its attacks on Anwar by the White House. Hasve you heard Bush say any thing bad about the PAP?????

I am not a PAP agent. I an not a political supporter. AL political parties have failed Singaporeans. If you are such a die hard anti PAP supporter, where were you when the SDP demonstrated? Where were you when the so called freedom fighter Gopalan nair was arrested?

[quote=Don't Like Any Political Party]Have you heaard Bush criticise Singapore? Clinton? Any US President? Any Un Secretary General? These are the powerful players of the WEst, not the Western media. These people have criticised so many other governments except Singapore. Malaysia has been blasted for its attacks on Anwar by the White House. Hasve you heard Bush say any thing bad about the PAP?????

I am not a PAP agent. I an not a political supporter. AL political parties have failed Singaporeans. If you are such a die hard anti PAP supporter, where were you when the SDP demonstrated? Where were you when the so called freedom fighter Gopalan nair was arrested?[/quote]

We know, you're a PAP running dog.

What has happened to Temasek's investments?

In CNA website, http://www.channelnewsasia.com/video
Video Archive of 21 August 2008,

we can still see the title of
"Temasek's assets rise 13% to S$185b",
but the video clip is no longer retrieveable.

WHY?

What has happened to that CNA video clip?

What has happened to Temasek ACTUALLY?



[quote=TMC]TEMASEK Holdings' assets rose to S$185 billion as at March 31 from S$164 billion a year ago, said its chairman S. Dhanabalan on Thursday.
Speaking at a luncheon organised by entrepreneurs network TiE Singapore, he said Temasek, which already owns large stakes in lenders such as Merrill Lynch and Barclays, was prepared to invest more money in Western banks if the opportunity arose.

Mr Dhanabalan said Temasek is different from other sovereign funds as it does not manage national reserves. Rather it is a holding company for stakes in companies such as Singapore Telecommunications and Singapore Airlines, formerly held by the Government.

It also sets "the gold standard for transparency" with Norway's sovereign wealth funds, he added.

Temasek said in its annual report for the financial year to March 2007 that its assets stood at S$164 billion. It will release its 2007/2008 annual report next Tuesday.

The Singapore government had injected a little under S$30 billion in assets and cash into Temasek since it was set up in 1974, Mr Dhanabalan said.

Temasek, the smaller of Singapore's two wealth funds, has been seeking investments outside its core markets of Asia excluding Japan in search of higher returns and to diversify its portfolio.

In his address, Mr Dhanabalan said Singapore and Asia account for nearly 75 per cent of Temasek's investments, down from 78 per cent reported a year earlier.

He said Temasek aims to have in the long run about one third of its assets in Singapore, another one third in emerging markets and the remainder in the developed markets.

It is recruiting staff for new offices in Mexico and Brazil that will be set up this year .[/quote]

I think LKY said that Suharto's corruption is peanuts (or rather excesses). I guess it must be the truth if it is put into perspective ...

This is my last knock on "Don't Like Any Political Party's" head to wake him up.

You really must be a PAP stooge, whether intentionally or not!

I repeat, please go to the website of the International Bar Association and read their 72-page report on the human right abuses of the PAP. Now, the IBA is the world's largest lawyer organisation. Common sense says it must guard its reputation fervently. So we can safely say the report is unbiased. And for them to bother to spend so much time to investigate and then to write a detailed 72-page report shows that the situation in Singapore is grave. They requested
the government for changes. The PAP is embarrassed of this expose that the whole world can read. They are scared, and they caved in a little with these latest token liberalisations, just to show they are doing something. LKY was always arrogant with foreign criticism, but now that everyone can read about his abuses in detail on the Internet, he's feeling very vulnerable, no longer an impenetrable fortress.

One of PAP's human right violations mentioned in the report is, they told Singaporeans that if they
didn't vote for them their HDB blocks would not be upgraded. I remember reading about that in the press, and it came from Goh Chok Tong. Now, that is an affront to democracy! In a true democracy,
a government must treat everyone equally no matter who they vote! It's a matter of common sense, unless you don't care for democracy.

I do not know if what "DLAPP" said is true: that no
US President has criticized Singapore over human right abuses. If what he said is true, it is because of these reasons:
1) Singapore has always been a very
close ally of US, especially during
the Vietnam War. Presently, US
has naval facilities here.
2) We always support them on the
war against terrorism.
3) Trade between the 2 countries
are always booming.
4) Singapore is looked upon by the
West as a rich country. There is
no real poverty here.
5) Whatever LKY's abuses are, he's
not as bad as some dictators in
the third world. Moreover, the
people here are well-fed and
can do most things freely.
Basing on the above reasons, and the fact that America is a very troubled country, especially after
9/11 and the preoccupation with 2 wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the potential nucleur threats from Iran and North Korea and the emergence of China as an economic giant and a greater military power, why would the US be bothered by "minor" abuses in midget Singapore, why would they want to offend an old ally. America is selfish. They get involved in other people's affairs only when their interest is affected. True, they criticized other countries for their human right abuses, but only because they are really serious, and the people are really victimised, eg, in China and Africa.

The same reasoning for the UN not criticizing Singapore, if what DLAPP said is true.

DLAPP should follow world news more. He is a frog
in the well - for decades!

I rest my case!

"How can I plead guilty to something that our Constitution tells me is my right?"
Choice words.

[quote]2) We always support them on the
war against terrorism.
4) Singapore is looked upon by the
West as a rich country. There is
no real poverty here.[/quote]

Disagree. Singapore can offer nothing on the war on terror, neither intelligence nor troops.

No real poverty here? Didnt you see the big photo of the old man or beggars on the streets of Singapore?

[quote]Singapore has always been a very
close ally of US, [/quote]

May be true in the past but PAP led Singapore drifting towards China in recent years, even mimicking their same anti Western rhetoric re: Chua "Bulldog in a skirt" Lee Hoong.

[quote]why would they want to offend an old ally.[/quote]

USA can do whatever they wish, if they can offend their major allies like France etc., I dont see why they cannot get rid of an insignificant insouciant island regime that continually insults them in their press.

Lets hope that the USA is letting nature take its course and allow democracy to flourish with Singaporeans voting out the PAP.

Go read history books go search online NO US PRESIDENT HAS CRITICISED SINGAPORE AT ALL.

IA MNOT A POLITICAL PARTY MEMBER> ALL POLITICAL PARTIES IN SINGAPORE HAVE FAILED SINGAPORE> MOST ESPECIALLY THE SDP. THE LARGEST NUMBER OF VOTES LOST.

Let me check up on that.

I'd like to clarify to "Uncle Ver Sg" for him not getting my points which I think are quite obvious if you followed the news for the past 10 years or more.

Singapore is fighting terrorism hard in Singapore because there were people who were arrested who wanted to bomb Changi Airport and Americans naval personnel in Singapore. This was possible because of intelligence sharing. After 9/11 Singapore has been always concerned and taken
precautionary measures, like security checks at MRT stations. And look at the warning at MRT stations and videos in MRT trains to tell people to be alert. All this is fighting the war against terrorism, and is thus supporting the Americans who are doing this not just on their soil but globally as well. We are also give them a lot of moral support by doing what we have done.

On the wealth of Singapore, I heard on TV and read in the papers, foreigners singing praises about how rich Singapore was. They think we are very rich. And when they come, their impression is reinforced by nicely built and repainted HDB flats and well-landscaped gardens. And when they stay only for a few days, they will go back thinking there is no real poverty here. Moreover, LKY recently says he removes beggars from the streets.
This is what I meant, foreigners thinking we are all
well-fed and doing OK. But you and I know the true picture. There IS poverty here. It is a common sight to see elderly folks scavenging rubbish bins and dumps for cardboards, newspapers and drink cans just to make a few dollars to help them through the day. The government is filthy rich, but
there is no equal distribution of wealth. It is top heavy! It benefits them more than the people. Why not, S100,000 a month in pay. MP's just sitting down and writting letters to respective government depts for residents with problems once a week, and doing a little bit of walk-out, gets $13,000 a month! Who can't do the job! It must be one of the best jobs in the world! The HDB flats are nicely done up because PAP wants our votes to stay in power.

It is true LKY has "carried" the Americans all along. LKY is also pro-Israel, probably to curry favour with the West, to the anger of our Muslim neighbors. Malaysia has always been criticized by the West because, under Mahatir, it had the habit of attacking the West over their foreign policies.
US is one of those at the receiving end. Naturally,
US will be quick in censuring Malaysia if it goes out of line.

Let's not forget the thrust of my letter with all this clarification. My stand is there ARE human right abuses by PAP, confirmed by the International Bar Assn report. The US has turned a blind eye because they think Singaporeans are doing OK, and what is happening here is nothing compared to elsewhere where people are tortured, starving,
disappear or killed. It truly doesn't want to offend an old ally. How many countries in the world offered naval and military facilities to US, a very, very sensitive issue cos it affects a country's sovereignty? America appreciates Singapore for that!

I rest my case

[quote=Fed up also!]I want to add another question to "Fed Up's"
eye-opening list.

Why was it easy for Lee Hsien Loong to become PM?
The answer is, his father was in control, and there
was no opposition in the government. Forget about
the opposition MPs. They were quiet, timid and largely ineffective. LKY was/is not afraid of them. Also, of course, no LKY puppets in the PAP would dare talk bad about their boss and his son. Was Lee Hsien Loong really the best man or was it nepotism? No prize for answering that right.

Nepotism is a criminal offence, isn't it? In Fed Up's letter, it is shown LKY and his gang are also guilty of abuse of power, squandering taxpayers' money and human right violations. My goodness, that's a lot! The opposition should take advantage of it, tell the people about the PAP's trangressions and fight for them to be charged in court. They have no mercy for the opposition, so why should the opposition have mercy on them.[/quote]

By appointing themselves MM and SM, Lee Kuan Yew and Goh Chok Tong are telling the world that Lee Hsien Loong is obviously incapable since he can't handle the job by himself without 2 mentors. A Div 3 perhaps.

If Lee Hsien Loong needs 2 mentors to run a small country with no natural disasters whereas other big countries need only 1 PM, why is he drawing such a huge salary compared to the rest and why is the salaries of his 2 mentors not paid out of his own pockets.

Or could it be that his salary is actually over SGD 10 million per annum, and divided into 3 portions so that the 3 of them can share, all for doing one man's job?

[quote=Don't Like Any Political Party]Go read history books go search online NO US PRESIDENT HAS CRITICISED SINGAPORE AT ALL.[/quote]

And your point is?

I had not named every PAP MPs that I had considered to be nincompoops, so does that mean that they are not nincompoops?

I totally agree with "Chew" in both his letters.

On the subject of MP's, they are also outrageously overpaid, wasting taxpayers' money!! All they do is listen to residents' problems, write a letter for them to the respective government department. That's all. No need to solve their grievances. And this is only once a week!! Then they do a little bit of walking around the estates and occasionally officiate a gathering and give a speech, like a kindergarten's graduation concert. Easy, no stress and prestigious! And for all this, which many can do and will give their right arm for the job, he's paid $13,000 a month. This is another clear-cut proof of PAP squandering taxpapers' money.

PAP's crimes against the state and Singaporeans are aplenty. And there are solid proof(s) for all of them. They are:
1) Increasing their pays themselves,
and to a ridiculously high level.
Many say MM, PM or SM's pay is
higher than the US President's pay.
2) Wasting taxpapers' money by
creating the 2 posts - MM and SM -
by LKY himself. Combined salary of
$200,000 a month, not counting
other benefits. These portfolios were
created just so LKY could remain in
control and continue to earn an
extremely fat paycheck without the
stress and responsibilty of the PM!
That guy is cunningly smart. He
planned everything for himself and
for his son to take over so that the
government is like LKY's family
business.

3) Wasting taxpaper's money on
excessive payments to MP's. The
duties are not proportionate to pay.

4) Lee Hsien Loong was given the PM
job when his father was IN
CONTROL. He got it very easily, not
because he's the best man. It
doesn't need much intelligence to
see that it is nepotism.

5) Human rights violations as
confirmed in the International Bar
Association's 72-page report on
PAP's human rights abuses.

6) All the above show beyond a
shadow of a doubt that there is
ABUSE OF POWER. All because there
is no opposition in the government
to stop them from doing as they
please.


The opposition should tell Singaporeans about PAP's crimes, so that they will have a good idea of who PAP really is, and promising them that this will not happen if they are voted in, to win hearts and minds of the people.

The opposition should also work hard on getting the PAP leadership charged in court for their transgressions. If they think our judges are not independent, then take it to the UN court.

In some countries such crimes against the state are punishable by death!

[quote]... We are also give them a lot of moral support by doing what we have done.[/quote]

Not only Singapore carry out checks in their MRTs etc, but also China and Russia who are not allies of the USA. It was USA giving Singapore its intelligence to prevent MRT attacks, not the other way around. If there was no US intelligence doing their job for Singapore ISD, possibly have the MRT bombed as you say. What was the ISD doing and what was their focus on? The SDP and CSJ?

Why dont you tell the American troops (esp those in Iraq) "you protect us and we provide moral support and do cheerleading from the rear"?

Lest we forget, Mat Selamat Kastari is still out there. Thanks to who?

Also PAP's war on terror is very selective. Malaysian communist terrorist in chief "Chin Peng" was invited in 2005 to give a talk in NUS. Pointers and tips maybe?

[quote]How many countries in the world offered naval and military facilities to US, a very, very sensitive issue cos it affects a country's sovereignty? [/quote]

Lets not browbeat the truth here. Singapore is an island, and the naval and military facilities offered to the US is in exchange for their protection. Singapore needs the USA far more than the USA needs Singapore. Please dont harbour any delusions of grandeur that the USA "does not want to offend its old ally" a tiny island nation of 3.x million locals. Singapore is not Israel and cannot be compared to Israel.

Nevertheless, if more serious forms of human rights abuse were to take place in Singapore, I would have to assume that the USA would step in and it would be effortless and almost cost free.

I don't think USA will be involved in anything that does not promote their selfish national interest. Don't ever think that they will step in to save us. We have to do it ourselves.