Singapore Democrats

Sounds right, and with the correct sound-bites too. Need to do more of this soft politics. Learning fast.

Well done, SDP!

Heartening news! btw, which nursing home did SDP visit?

Wish I was there:D

Yes, that's right. There is a lot of work to do here, helping the poor, old and sick.

Didn't the 'Marxists conspirators' did the same in 1987?

I was actually feeling quite speechless when I read this, perhaps as speechless as the the first three posters appeared to be here.

So I challenged myself to write more: as my title of this post suggests, this is a perfect embodiment of the values that I see the SDP as standing for.

It's good to have the kids tag along; seniors aren't really that crazy about us, those of us who are in the sandwich generation who have to care for the very young and the very old. At best, we are appreciated just for being facilitators for their highest moments.

But it's just a 'role' thing that happens to coincide with age.

By all means, take all the cakes, pastries and drinks that you need for this.

But the pleasure of having the company of the very young seems to be the greatest pleasure that seniors thrive on.

I never had the luxury of growing up with grandparents because they were in India.

But I know from observing how my parents turned from being our disciplinarians to becoming the most outrageous and audacious pamperers of my nephews and nieces that children are just what people at that age need most.

Thank you SDP.

You show us that Singapore has not been completely robbed of its heart.

talking about this visiting thing, how come i dont see SDP visiting any mosque. I'm asking cause a lot of mps are visiting mosque expecially during this fasting month. Why not visit a mosque and joint the break fasting session .
On the same subject, the mosque near where i'm staying(yishun) will always be visited by the MP during Hari Raya usually just after the prayers. Can SDP do the same ,,,Please!

To ayim,
SDP can visit mosque, but it is a bit awkward because SDP don't have MPs. It is better to visit old folk homes rather than religious institutions.

can i visit ur mosque?

SDP do not need an MP to join a break fast event in the mosque.mosques are open to anyone who wants to join the daily break fast,regardless of race or religion :D

and visiting mosque or any other institution is for us to understand more of each other and for bonding.just like what the PAP MPs are doing rite :P

anyway if the SDP peeps wants to drop by the Mosques for breakfast,just give them a call.

However,heard that MUIS quite sensitive when comes to politics.so you guys could dress just in red without the party insignia.

Indeed the residents were happy to see us. The faces lit up especially when they saw the children. And to be sure, the kids warmed up to them rather quickly. In fact they were the ones who were serving the pastries and drinks to the residents and made sure that every room was visited by the group.

It is immensely important that our children are taught to look beyond their own needs and desires even at a tender age.

Rather than visiting mosques for break fast, SDP should visit welfare homes run my the Muslim-Malay community and contribute food for breaking fast and foodstuffs for Hari Raya. These homes will surely appreciate that gesture. Dont forget to get Berita Harian to cover the event cos the Malay Paper has no SDP coverage :)

1. Cakes, pastries and drinks cost money.

2. Contributing food for breaking fast and foodstuffs for Hari Raya also costs money.

I hope that we are all doing our share of donating to the SDP so that they can do what we would like to see them do.

SDP has once again outdone itself.

Many on this thread are now asking: how come you didn't this, or how come you didn't do that?

The good news is that comments - some see it as complaints - like those actually come from people who believe that you have the capacity to do all the things that they want you to do; it's a sure sign of their belief and confidence in you.

Don't be taken in by BryanT's compliment of the SDP visiting a nursing home.

His seemingly sweet and reasonable tone masks a more sinister motive.

Read my questions to him in the other thread on Dr Chee's sentence of $10,000 and his lies.

I'm on to you, Mr T. Watching you closely.

Of course he's supportive of SDP going to a nursing home. That's no threat to the system.

But once you talk about free speech and reform, he/they start jumping up to spread falsehoods.

I've got 5 questions for you in the other thread, Mr T. Waiting for response please.

[color=red]"I'm on to you, Mr T. Watching you closely."[/color]

Was trying to cover my positions with all the red-ink in the markets whole day, looking for something to cheer up with, until I saw this gem that really tickles the bones.

With the "[b]on-to-you[/b]" and "[b]watching-you-closely[/b]" bits, now I know why there been a lingering shadow hanging around my tail recently : it's the Special Branch (SB) paying a friendly visit!

Then it begs the question, and a tinge of irony : Does this SB belong to the government or SDP?

But seriously, let's not detract from the good news here. My call to congratulate SDP for its social venture stays, even if the SB is suspicious (and since when is it ever not?)

.... Or I should use the plural form (they) henceforth, since there seems to be a new branch.

Mr. Lim,

Interesting. Are you saying that he is trying to convince readers of the SDP website that by looking as if his views are objective? Thanks for that observation.

[color=red]"Are you saying that he is trying to convince readers of the SDP website that by looking as if his views are objective?"[/color]

tangeo, I am surprised that you sound surprised. I thought you had hatched some of your own theories about my sinister plots earlier as well.

You mean you have to rely on others to form your opinion about others' objectivity?

[quote=Mr Lim]Don't be taken in by BryanT's compliment of the SDP visiting a nursing home.

His seemingly sweet and reasonable tone masks a more sinister motive.

Read my questions to him in the other thread on Dr Chee's sentence of $10,000 and his lies.

I'm on to you, Mr T. Watching you closely.

Of course he's supportive of SDP going to a nursing home. That's no threat to the system.

But once you talk about free speech and reform, he/they start jumping up to spread falsehoods.

I've got 5 questions for you in the other thread, Mr T. Waiting for response please.[/quote]

Mr Lim,

I agree with with you. So I've got a comment for Bryan.

"This should be a boost for SDP because it's sincere about helping the community and therefore it should be seen as capable in the eyes of Singaporeans."

I bet my very last dollar that Mr Bryan can't argue with is and he won't. He will remain silent or twist and turn my words, as with yours above (this bears the hallmarks of the PAP) so we have to wonder his true intentions

Mr. Lim,

Please do continue to bring to the attention of readers here the falsehoods that the dimwit writes about.

BryanT: Come on, if you are really sincere, go ahead and praise Dr Chee.
lol

[color=red]"Come on, if you are really sincere, go ahead and praise Dr Chee."[/color]

quantum, just to satisfy you, and with the help of Google, here are two extracts of posts I made here a while back. It's not much I know, but frankness counts.

"[b]In fact, I think you have probably underestimated his ability to focus and single-mindedness in achieving what he wants. That is one characteristic why many around here admire him. I respect him for that too.[/b]"

"[b]I reserve my comments about CSJ's tolerance level, although I admire his bravery and persistence. However, I am grateful to his party to have created this website allowing people from all sides to discuss issue frankly.[/b]"

But let's refrain from idolatry. CSJ will get his praises when he does the right thing right.

Like I said, I have no personal vendetta against him and sincerely think he can contribute towards building a credible and respected opposition, but in a vastly different manner. If only he stops getting himself on the wrong side of the law. Fight for the people based on what they want, it might not be the law they want fought.

But still, I'd rather not detract from the topic of this article, which is a good job by SDP.

[color=red]"This should be a boost for SDP because it's sincere about helping the community and therefore it should be seen as capable in the eyes of Singaporeans."[/color]

Brendan, can you explain what you are referring to so that I can try to respond? It's not very clear to me.

[quote]But let's refrain from idolatry[/quote]
I do not idol worship him. He has probably committed a grave mistake years ago, that is : stealing $2 from NUS when he was a lecturer there.
But for that grave mistake of stealing $2 , the whole PAP machinery is against him, don't you find it strange?
:) lol haha.

[quote]f only he stops getting himself on the wrong side of the law.[/quote]
Which law? Which side?
Haha

Just ignore that idiot. Its very damn clear what he's trying to do here. I've already skipped reading his comments long ago. A waste of time...

Of course, good job SDP. But still, we all know that the main concern for us right now is still the present arrogant ruling government that we have since independent. PAP can easily come along and accuse you guys of illegal assembly since all of you are wearing red shirts. We all know that PAP will do it when they deem it necessary. We have no freedom, we need change quick.

[quote=BryanT][color=red]"This should be a boost for SDP because it's sincere about helping the community and therefore it should be seen as capable in the eyes of Singaporeans."[/color]

Brendan, can you explain what you are referring to so that I can try to respond? It's not very clear to me.[/quote]

If that's your comprehension of English, then I have nothing to say.

But just to confirm, I shall ask other readers if they understand what Im saying. Anyone agree with me or Bryan?

well, Ted, ain't nice for us to call such nasty names, eh?

anyway, am really glad that SDP took time off to be more humane... how i wish Teo Ho P** would do the same too..

[quote=Ted]Just ignore that idiot. Its very damn clear what he's trying to do here. I've already skipped reading his comments long ago. A waste of time...
[/quote]

Maybe we should get the moderators to limit his irrelevant comments to prevent tainting of the discussion board.

While we have no intent to deny his freedom of speach, we've given him a chance but I think this is going too far.

Singapore is richer now!

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_427936.html

Hi all

I think and hope that SDP believes in the freedom of expression and thus i think that Bryan should say whatever he disagrees and i hope SDP will not moderate or limit his speech.

it is the task of anyone to debate (perhaps until the cows comes home) or ignore or agree to disagree and ultimately up to the readers to decide.

thanks

This is a forum for people to promote democracy. If someone is here to destroy democracy or promote and sell other things, why shouldn't the moderators kick him out?

[quote=juzONEsingh]well, Ted, ain't nice for us to call such nasty names, eh?[/quote]

I apologize if I was rude. Please understand that it was out of anger and frustration towards PAP for all my suffering that I have been through in Singapore. I can tell you my story, but I'm sure majority of Singaporeans have a story to tell. But what good is it even if I can tell everyone in Singapore, nothing is going to change. We have too many unjust law and nothing is going to change unless if we can have a fair election and members of the opposition stop been persecuted by the small-minded PAP.

Ted, steady lah!

I can assure 1 ting, though.. there will be significant changes coming up once grandfather dies and father steps down, while the retard son's still studying overseas... (btw, can some1 juz remove the son from the face of the earth????)

there are liberal individuals in every party, yah?

there is no guarantee PM post will be passed on from generation to generation.S'pore is not North Korea.

thank god for that, tewniaseng!

i do hope ur words cum true!
can't stand dat retard son, man!

btw, BryanT, how's tings over at ur side, eh? ain't lookin good over at mine... the COV's going up, while the grants stay constant...

nice equation there, MBT! u hear dat, MBT?! such an A-hole u are...

i hope ur retard children & grandchildren report to me in work... will feed them my 2 million soliders...

MBT is really useless, he expects young people fresh from school to pay COV of 60k and bear many many children,Pui !! No brain this kind of minister.Why our population shrinks and afforadability of HDB housing is diminished ?? They just collect millions of salary and don't have a solution, this tidak apa attitude is very bad.

u practically took the words right out of my mouth, tewniaseng! well said!

i can't wait to CIM his children and grandchildren, if ya get wat i mean...

[color=red]"ain't lookin good over at mine... the COV's going up, while the grants stay constant..."[/color]

juzONEsingh, if I read you correctly, you are in the hunt for a HDB and the COV has gone further up.

I have not been in the property market personally for quite a while, but can understand the frustration of people waiting to buy since it's currently a sellers' market.

I suppose the buyers blame HDB for not increasing supply to dampen prices. But wouldn't the sellers and current owners be saddened if HDB floods the market with new flats with a valuation this vastly lower that current transactions on the secondary market.

Also, I thought the COV is mainly driven by market sentiments. Do we want the government to interfere with it and be seen to be siding with either side?

I suppose whoever bought with a high COV would also be a potential seller one day, and his/her's sentiments would then change sides.

[quote]But wouldn't the sellers and current owners be saddened if HDB floods the market with new flats with a valuation this vastly lower that current transactions on the secondary market.[/quote]
Would they be sadder than the people with no house to live?
[quote]Do we want the government to interfere with it and be seen to be siding with either side?[/quote]
Which side has more citizens?
[quote]I suppose whoever bought with a high COV would also be a potential seller one day, and his/her's sentiments would then change sides.[/quote]
That is assuming that property will go up forever - a stupid assumption, if you know anything about the market, unless you are misleading people again.

quantum, hahaha.. you are so cutely hardworking and knowledgeable about the property market and everything. I am humbled.

oohh... BryanT, your words make u look like a property guru or a LKY Scholarship holder or a Ivy League Graduate!

my my my.. i'm impressed by your attempt to give advice in your capacity!

what do you know about the property market? are you active in it?

i'm a second class upper grad in econs, excellent in numbers, economics, financial analysis, etc.. even i dun dare to give my 2 cents take on the macro-environment in singapore.. and there you are, advising like as though you're the chief economist from the MAS!

no shit, i tink i need to CIM u too!

[color=red]"a property guru or a LKY Scholarship holder or a Ivy League Graduate!"[/color]

juzONEsingh, you must be jesting. If those layman comments make anyone sound like an Ivy-leaguer, then many here would qualify to be John Maynard Keynes.

And that includes those think that a shrinking population would improve the "afforadability (sic) of HDB housing".

[quote]And that includes those think that a shrinking population would improve the "afforadability (sic) of HDB housing".[/quote]
Do you know your law of supply and demand? I think you should start reading a O or A level economics textbook to get yourself educated.
If you are on an island with no one else except you, the island is yours free, it costs nothing. Understand?

quantum, thanks for the education. You sure you are not John Maynard Keynes?

no shit, quantum, BryanT thinks the hell out of u, man!

quick hands quick legs now, instruct him to BBBJ me and I shall CIM him!

but seriously, BryanT, I feel dat MBT n his gang should control HDB prices, yah? I mean, come-on, they are building houses with increasing profit margins!

Whats the point of a statutory board making huge profits while an investment entity like Little Miss A-Cup's Te-Ma-De Holdings is making losses?

=.=

BranyT, really, I need to CIM you to make u wake up to life's bitter taste; u name the time n place, bro

juzONEsingh, I hope you don't mind if I skipped over those BBBJ and CIM stuff that you seem pretty inclined towards. Let's just take it that they do not suit my [u]taste[/u]. To each his own.... taste, ya?

I suppose your needs are still not met even after what MBT announced on Mon to cool the property market.

And no, using your gifted mouth is unlikely to get you a lower price for a house.