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Monday, 06 July 2009

AFP

An Indian court's decision to repeal a ban on gay sex will not lead Singapore to overturn a similar colonial-era law, the city-state's law minister has been quoted as saying.

Legislation banning "carnal intercourse against the law of nature" is a remnant of British colonial rule in both countries.

Last week, the Delhi High Court ruled that the 1860 statute banning consensual gay sex violated basic individual rights guaranteed by the constitution. 

But Singapore Law Minister K. Shanmugam said his country was unlikely to move towards decriminalisation of gay sex, as most of the public did not support such a move.

"If the majority of our population is against homosexuality, then it's not for the government to say we are going to force something against the wishes of the people," the Today newspaper quoted Shanmugam as saying.

He said however that Singapore's courts were free to interpret the law as the Indian court had done.

"We won't change the law, but how that is interpreted is up to the courts," the Straits Times quoted the minister as saying.

"It is not our position to tell the courts what to do."

Singapore's ban on gay sex punishes offenders with up to two years in jail, although it has rarely been enforced.

In October 2007, Singapore legalised oral and anal sex between heterosexual couples, but lawmakers retained the ban on gay sex, rejecting a petition by gay rights activists to abolish the law.

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said at the time that Singapore remains a conservative society and that abolishing the law could "send the wrong signal", prompting gay activists to push for legalisation of same-sex marriage.

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  • Robox
    Re: [color=red]"[Captain Kangaroo] said however that Singapore's courts were free to interpret the law as the Indian court had done."[/color]

    My first reaction to the above statement was to laugh out [b]VERY LOUD[/b] indeed.

    This is more of the same public disinformation that we can expect the liars in the PAP to come up with. There are only [b]two ways[/b] that Singapore's kangaroo courts could find themselves in any position to 'interpret [S 377a of the Penal Code in light of Article 12 of the Constitution]':

    1. If [b]an individual Singaporean or a group of Singaporeans institute/s a constitutional challenge[/b] against S 377a. ([i]Note: This is the same [b]Captain Kangaroo[/b] who, with the SDP's pending court cases in mind, [b]disinformed Singaporeans[/b] in his New Year Assault at the Law Society by making the extravagant claim that [b]Parliament was the only way for laws to be changed[/b][/i].)

    There are serious problems with the above procedure if followed in Singapore, namely, that a) public confidence in our kangaroo courts' integrity and independence from the Executive has been greatly eroded especially in politically motivated cases like the gay rights one is, and b) legal costs have been deliberately made prohibitive so that no one in Singapore who is not earning a cabinet minister's annual loot has access to justice in our kangaroo courts. Either way, gay Singaporeans are unlikely to (or unlikely to be able to) institute a constitutional challenge unlike our freer colleagues in India.

    2. If [b]an individual or individuals within Singapore jurisdiction is/are prosecuted[/b] under S 377a.

    Again, how is that going to happen when the PAP government has assured gay Singaporeans that S 377a will not be invoked - not that this is good enough for us - and thus creating no opportunity for the kangaroo courts to 'interpret the law'? (Can our kangaroo judges, particularly with an eye to their very generous monthly bribes from the PAP government, even match the same professional competence as their Indian counterparts to interpret the Constitution and produce a 150-page ruling? Our kangaroo judges' Indian counterparts are also sticklers for the rule of law unlike in Singapore where there is only contempt for the law.)

    Captain Kangaroo's citing of the Indian precedent to give Singaporeans false hope in our justice system is dishonest on yet another count. The Naz Foundation, the Indian LGBT group that instituted the constitutional challenge, specifically recommended to the Delhi High Court (DHC) to 'read down' S 377a so as not to leave a legislative gap in cases of rape of minor boys or of non-consensual sex involving men of majority age; the DHC accepted this recommendation by the Naz Foundation as perfectly legitimate because gay rights is also about the rights against sexual violence against ANYONE in society.

    The DHC also accepted the reccomendation because as it stands now, India's anti-rape laws only covers the rape of girls and women, but there is a recommendation to the Government of India to eventually enact gender-neutral anti-rape laws and eventually strike down S 377a.

    The above is not the case in Singapore. Our anti-rape (including statutory rape) laws and are already gender-neutral. Thus, unlike in India, the Singapore Parliament will not encounter a situation where they will have to abide by a court ruling, which as I have already pointed out, is unlikely to happen under the PAP's spite for the rule of law.

    Does Captain Kangaroo really expect Singaporeans to buy this latest round of crap coming from our thoroughly unprofessional and incompetent legal fraternity that is headed by himself and two other members of Singapore's Kangaroo Trio: Walter Woon and Chan Sek Keong?
  • Robox
    Re: [color=red]"It is not our position to tell the courts what to do."[/color]

    Oh yeah, Captain Kangaroo?

    To the kangaroo judges presiding over the politcally motivated cases against the SDP, [b]convince us that what Captain Kangaroo has now put on record is true[/b].

    The SDP has already submitted ample evidence in court that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the PAP's [i]suka suka[/i] laws that SDP members have been charged in court with are [b]all[/b] unconstitutional and therefore null and void.

    [b]Convince us kangaroo judges[/b], that you have the professionalism and the competence of your Indian counterparts and that you are truly 'free to interpret the law as the Indian court had done' as Captain Kangaroo claims.

    While the Naz Foundation only submitted a petition to read down S 377a on the basis that it hampers HIV prevention work with gay/bi men, the Indian judges went further to see the case as one of a human rights violation.

    [b]Convince us kangaroo judges[/b], that you have the same professionalism and competence as your Indian counterparts to see that the PAP's politically motivated cases against the SDP are also human rights violations.

    [b]Convince us PAP[/b], and especially Captain Kangaroo, that no judge from your kangaroo courts will suffer the same fate as Michael Khoo for ruling against your politically motivated actions against those who are far more intelligent than you and far more politically competent than you.

    Until the kangaroo courts and the PAP government can prove all the above to be true, Captain Kangaroo would only be shown up to do what he is proving to be most competent at: [b]lying to the Singapore public[/b]!
  • Ted
    > "If the majority of our population is against homosexuality, then it's not for the government to say we are going to force something against the wishes of the people," the Today newspaper quoted Shanmugam as saying.

    What if the majority of Singaporeans don't want a casino here, will the government listen to us? Or other issues??? I'm very sure "majority" Singaporeans are fed-up with the outrageous salary of our minister. But why are PAP still "forcing it against the wishes of us"???
  • Simpang Bedok - Buggers anyway
    Singaporeans are buggers anyway. Can't help it.
  • Robox
    Re: [color=red]"Singapore not swayed by India gay sex ruling: [kangaroo law] minister [Kangaroo Shanmugam]."[/color]

    The Almighty PAP - the Republican Party of Singapore - has long been accustomed to making grandiose claims of itself. According to this still unsubstantiated claim, and unlike the rest of the world - Denmark for example - that has only been cursed with mediocre governments, only [b]WE[/b] in the Promised Land that is Singapore are blessed with a government that will not 'do something just because it was popular'.

    I had been truly bedazzled by this claim by PAP ministers and backbenchers alike, unsubstantiated as it was; I felt as if I was truly being visited upon by God Himself who bore the strangest likeness to none other than the Knower Of All Things Under The Sun, Lee Kuan Yew, the progenitor of so Divine a Revelation.

    Every time that I heard that statement made, I fell on my knees crying endless rivers of tears.

    I am merely one more gay man who is obsessed with having sex 24/7 and blessed with abundantly more energy for sex than any average heterosexual. I should rightly then be consigned to the entirety of the private space that I deserve, for the maximum amount of my private immorality by none other than the PAP. What have I done to deserve this good fortune from the PAP?"

    Then the gay rights challenge struck.

    The demigod Kangaroo Shanmugam now tells us that the Government "cannot move ahead of public opinion" and has to "be careful of being ahead of public opinion."

    So what happened, O Almighty PAP?

    Can you incompetents in the PAP do what is unpopular, but what is right, as you have previously claimed until gay rights hit you in your face?

    Or do you, like ALL mediocre governments like Denmark's, only pander to popular opinion but NOT right action?
  • vipersonic - Hypocrite
    "If the majority of our population is against homosexuality, then it's not for the government to say we are going to force something against the wishes of the people," the Today newspaper quoted Shanmugam as saying.

    What he is saying is so contradictory from what is taught in school for social studies about "Good Governance". They said, Leaders must do what is right and not what is popular... And as if they have never forced something against the wishes before! Hypocrites!
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