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LKY like to call everyone with names like Liars, etc. Well, when he lies, the entire media is silently backing him. The silence is deafening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dr press on . get the root . make it big . must let pp know

Any evidence given to court under oath is to the best knowledge of the plaintiff.

As long as the plaintiff thinks so and is not deliberately misleading the court.

So CSJ should not nickpick on this.

Court hearing again?

You must be joking or

Just have TOO MUCH TIME..!

Right.

Matters like these, from start to finish (will there be one? Haha), ought not just be printed.

Collate, organize: how it happened, when it happened, etc, and publish on paper for mass dissemination to the nation by way of post, addressed individually to each entry you find in the Phone Book 2007/2008 - to ensure recipients wil open to read.

Since the LEEsons is doing a Crouching tiger, Hidden dragon and prefers to go into ‘hiding’ than to sparrin with you, let them go explain to the people once word has got around enough to reach a critical mass.

Being stuck here on a few URLs like
http://yoursdp.org/index.php/component/content/article/1-singapore/599-chee-calls-for-hearing-to-be-reconvened-on-iba-matter-press-dead-silentmay never get our messages across anywhere to whomever such matters matter most.

Thank you, Mr Postman!


PS - Not just this issue but each and every one of those aunnswered, unaccounted-for issues, eg. Soehartos, Papua logging kickbacks, TemaGIC investments (massive losses), many, many more.
Send out on a regular basis or as and when you come into contact with such delcios, saucy, sexy news.
Certain the people will love SDP for telling them such news they'd never otherwise get - even if only digested for pure entertainment value, the people will still love you, haha.

[quote]But such is the kind of journalism that Singaporeans have had to live with for decades. It is not just a disservice to the public, it is a danger.[/quote]

Which institute of higher learning awarded all those diplomas and certifications to those monkeys calling themselves journalists? Time for it to withdraw them to avoid giving itself worse reputation for having trained and certified monkeys.

Time also to direct gunfire at 1000 Toa Payoh North?

Ever considered doing a finale protest while you're wrapping up your TBT@Toa Payoh? You'd be at their doorsteps - then they can never say they didn't 'see' or get wind of your activities to report them, hahaha

But better play safe: get THEIR international 'colleagues' - first choice is melanie of Reuters ("I love you, Melanie!") - to be there just in case. Report on local reporters shirking duty to the nation to report faithfully whatever they saw. With their own eyes. And not go back to newsroom to receive a new set of instructions (from Annexe Building, via good ol Editor).

Oh, my god!

I'm witnessing the shamelessness of the news media-people in Singapore.

Dr. Chee, please press on this issue. You have full support from us.

In this information age, the state-run newspapers have become an archaic & disinformative source for truth.. they're probably thinking out of sight, out of mind still holds true. Even though it might all have already changed. All the best Dr. Chee!!! :D

The repressive PAP Government has always liked to warn Singaporeans about the "necessity" or "importance" of having a "good
government", "political stability" and "continuation in leadership".

What do the efficient PAP leaders really mean by that warning? Isn't that actually another clever but none-too-subtle way of telling Singaporeans to repeatedly vote for the PAP into power at every elections?

Now, to begin, we all know that the so-called "good and able" leaders from the upright PAP Government require an unseemly high and enormous amount of salary each in order to willingly stay in political office! If these highly-organized PAP leaders are just motivated purely by money, how "good" and committed can they be?

And remember, please, that the PAP has, in the past, not been totally immuned to having in its ranks some leaders who were found to be corrupt and dishonest in their dealings with money matters! What happened to these "good" leaders?

And are the so-called "abilities" of these august PAP leaders that awesome and indispensable that they require such high salaries for them to justify their contributions to the nation?

Singaporeans, then again, have suffered because they believe that "political stability" is much preferable to political pluralism and the political right and freedom to chage a ruthless, autocratic and authoritarian government. But citizens in Taiwan, Philippines, Indonesia, South Korea and other democratic countries, with all their good sense and sound judgment, do not subscribe to this stultifying and inhibiting notion propagated by the power and economic elite. Are the citizens in these foreign countries necessarily more immature, irresponsible and unsophisticated politically than ours?

Lastly, by "continuation in leadeship", the oppressive PAP Government simply wants Singaporeans to always, and unconditionally, vote for its leaders into power. Now, we must hold a mirror for these thoughtful PAP leaders to look at their own reflections: How accountable, transparent, sustainable, uplifting, encouraging, stimulating, just, open and humane is the present Singapore system? How, indeed, can we let the suppressive PAP leadership continue in power when it continues to exploit and subjugate the people?

As for Lee Kuan Yew "unique" way of government--especially in regard to his so-called ability to consider "the larger and higher aims and purposes of society and of the nation", surely Lee is not alone, among all the great and distinguished political leades in this world--not just in the past or at present but also in the future--in having this visionary ability?

There is no one "special" way to rule: Lee Kuan Yew's way is only just one way. There are many other alternative ways. Even Dr Chee Soon Juan, the SDP leader, has been able to express this ability--as revealed in his many published books, speeches, writings and commentaries--to look at an alternative way to govern. Dr Chee has an alternative, democratic vision for Singapore. He is more responsive than the PAP leaders to the needs, aspirations and hopes of the Singapore electorate, who no longer relates to those in power in a prostrate and servile manner. Dr Chee Soon Juan is more responsive to the views, judgments and common sense of the citizens.

The Internet has encouraged a more politically well-informed, sophisticated, educated, discerning, articulate and inquiring public to voice their opinions, criticisms, dissenting viewpoints and disagreements to the authorities. They refuse to let the machinery of government control and manipulate their lives.

I believe that, among the ranks of present and future opposition leaders, there will be found political candidates who are as distinguished in intellect, ability and character as the current PAP leaders--if not more so!

JUDICIARY is meant to administer JUSTICE in one country.

It does not concern DR Chee or Kuan Yew anymore, it is about the future of sinkapore, and its rule of law.

Dr Chee is helping sinkapore to get to the bottom of this issue becos the truth must surface for the people to know.

This is not nit-picking or masa-masa issue.
Do you want your children to live in a country where rules and laws only benefit certain stratum of people.

If IBA did not send a letter to sinkapore, then it could be a lie to say it did.

I hope the sinkapore mass media dont just hype about the slipper man, i have already corrected the error---it is flip-flop and not slippers, flip-flop is in vogue liao!

The press reporters should work with Dr Chee and also help to investigate the matter and do the right thing. It is the future of sinkapore we are talk about.

I feel that its a shame to know how the journalists and the press lives in fear and without any freedom. I can't even remember the last time I read political news which is not in favor of PAP in the newspapers. [b]Is PAP so perfect?[/b] THINK. I doubt and if you don't, think again. Singaporeans are too busy to notice and realise all this. I hope atleast the youth becomes interested in what is going around them. As a foreigner, I should not really be bothered about the future of Singapore as long as I am happy to stay in the country. I am unable to guess when a revolution will happen in Singapore for the good or in some sense, atleast for a change.

Mike you twit......
going of your argument, if Dr. Chee under oath says LKY is a bastard, then to the best of Dr. Chee's knowledge LKY is a bastard. As long as Dr. Chee thinks so and is not misleading the court...sheesh.

Mike is another "typical singaporean."

Personally I say put the old man in the ring with Dr. Chee in a bare knuckle match already. After that, I say put Ms. Chee in the ring with junior, daddy's boy. Heck, I think the Chee's will win both matches.

Mike, i hear the sissy times has an opening, maybe you can apply. i'll have a pair of sissy pants made up for you on your first day of work as a sissy journalist.

maybe you can be a cop... i hear it takes 10 of them to take down one man who believes in freedom.

So,is it the Int'l Bar Association ( Fuzhou bar owners' club ) or Int'l Bra Association (Triumph,Wacoal membership) that Harry mentioned in Court?
Don't blame him if he meant both at the same breath because our judiciary members are either drunk most of the time or "bosom pals" to him all these years.
Give the old man a Beer and that Belinkda a bra!

[quote]Mike, i hear the sissy times has an opening, maybe you can apply. i'll have a pair of sissy pants made up for you on your first day of work as a sissy journalist.[/quote]

There are a lot of naive people who just love CSJ.. Singapore can give them up.

I don't know why they love CSJ so much... maybe because...

They are just talk and do nothing to help CSJ. He needs your money. Give him all your pocket money, little boys.

For those who don't like me... why, have I offended your stinking ass?

Mike is like some doting lover. My darling is never wrong, no matter what.

Can Belinda's court now exercise discretion not to take Chee's request seriously and saying it won't make material difference to the judgement?

But she had been so meticulous at insisting on court procedures, applying the rule of relevance so strictly, and imposing maximal penalty for procedural "contempt of court".

So, to be consistent, she now has to take the claimed lapse of LKY just as seriously, even if its significance were only a procedural lapse.

After all, the Chees were not professional lawyers, unlike LKY. So, that renders LKY's lapse the more inexcusable compared to the Chees'.

[quote]Give the old man a Beer and that Belinkda a bra![/quote]

You're so cruel.

Hasn't the Old Fox been suffering enough from dementia, stress incontinence and lately renal failure - hear they're gonna amend the laws to allow organ trading (as none of his relatives are any match for his weird body parts) - and you wanna feed it a Tiger?

And Bel-bel is well-known in legal circles as Berlin Da International Airport and you wanna force a bra to land on that runway??? Cruel to the bra too as that'll mean rubbing a perfectly made garment across the worst-made washing board you'll find anywhere on the planet!

Save Gaia
- don't waste precious resources although you don't have to be cruel to a female doggie (definition of a bitch, right?); just give her some sanitary pads and elastic bands to string together something to cover up those unsightly mounts, please.

OH, PLEASE USE ONLY USED
ONES - THE [size=x-large]SANITARY NAPKINS[/size] FOR HER CHEST, I MEAN.

Mike, I think you know why people love CSJ. If you have an ounce of justice in your blood, you will too.

Lee's behaviour especially of recent period is irratic and thickheaded. Dr Chee should expect not only more fireballs from Harry but also some more 'stupidity'.

LKY lies
LKY bullies
LKY hides
LKY is a coward
LKY is a cheat - he paid Singaporeans 1-2% on their cpf balances and used the same money to earn over 8% investing all over the world.
LKY is a shame to Singapore and Singaporeans.

mike...
perhaps you get negative results because you come here trying to shoot down everything been done or being said but what you fail to realise is that your points are dull, your bark has no bite, and your arguments really serve no purpose but that of a troll.

if you are concerned about offending, then maybe you should try to strengthen the pap's platform at their website because you are only making yourself look like a fool here and in fact weakening any logic to your opposition. to me the pap is the opposition and every SDP supporter should refer to the pap as the opposition because that is what they are to more and more people everyday.

[quote]So, to be consistent, she now has to take the claimed lapse of LKY just as seriously, even if its significance were only a procedural lapse. [/quote]

Sound legal argument.

Please proceed with haste and without reservation, Dr Chee. our members are very interested in seeing out this trial and await its outcome with eagerness.

"DEAD silent" or just plain "DEAD"???

Hm, hard to say, because if the PRESS were already dead, how could the God o No Mercy still have used - and is continuing to use - it as his tool for supPRESSion in his wonderland of opPRESSion?

Mr Singh: Irrelevant!

Judge: Request is disallowed.

Dr Chee, thank you for your constant pressing on this issue. But is your evidence solid enough? LKY this kind of sly old fox might just bribe IBA and LSS since he's filty rich.

If the 2 were being bribe, they can simply said that they misplaced the letter and found it a couple of days later, with the fact that a newly written letter was dated earlier.

However, this is a very good start to tear down the LKY. You have my moral support!

Simply put, they meant:
"LIMPEH MUST FOREVER BE IN THE SEAT OF POWER"
(Parallel meaning: "You Singaporeans better keep us in power or else, LIMPEH will do a Tiananmen right here in Singapore, crush you little stinkos - and the world won't even care, much less care!")

Lee Kuan Yew is really quite a shameless fellow.

I feel sad that Singapore has this type of leader.

Lee Kuan Yew Pui!

[quote]After that, I say put Ms. Chee in the ring with junior, daddy's boy.[/quote]

[i]How would he dare face up to her again? Not after that flaccid performance of impotence in The Belinda's Show, surely.[/i]

"Daddy, can you tell me not to force me to fight her - the sight of her scares me. especially when she says those things which are all true and I wasn't trained at Cambridge to deal with them like a lawyer like you could.
Can we get Dave Singhapore to go in my stead? I know Bah Yees are known fierce nd brave warriors, and at least he can argue better too. Can?
Or we send in the entire Gurkha Contingent to lynch her with their Nepali knives? One stab from each of them surely can do the job, finish her once and for all, yes?
Oh, oh, better if I 'pull rank', use my Brigadier status and order one whole battalion of army boys and tanks and artillery to pound her to death, can???
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease, dad?"

"Son, you aen't even in the ring yet. Why are your pants wet???"

You must be getting to like this place so much, I see you - you post very 25 mins on average, my tracking cookie in your cache system tells me - more than I see the Moderator at work.

Welcome back - again ;D

Everyone please keep in mind that Belinda Ang had yet seen it fit to pursue Lee Kuan Yew's contempt of court when he barge into the courtroom with his bodyguards.

Lee Kuan Yew should be sent to jail for this as a deterrent sentence since a small fine will mean nothing for him.

Chee must proved to Singaporean, by asking IBA to issue Letter. If not, dont waste our time, tax payers money to see you dancing in your Amex Slang.

SINGAPOREAN ARE NOT STUPID!

For the balance SDP followers, may i suggest you quite SDP if you really want to serve Singaporean, get yourself elected legetimately.

SDP will only lead to Dead end!

LKY has once again been caught lying and he thought no one would verify what he made up in court in order to make himself looked good. He should be charged with perjury. Now all people will take his account of Singapore's history in his memoir with a pinch of salt with this latest revelation.

Can someone fill me in on this - perhaps there is a lawyer out there? In a defamation suit - who bears the burden of prove? As I see it, PM and MM Lee had to prove that SDP did make certain remarks - that is their burden of prove. That fact is beyond doubt - the SDP, in its newsletter, make some very specific statements. Once that is established - does the burden of prove not lie on the SDP to prove the remarks are true? PM and MM Lee do not have to prove the remarks are false - that does not make sense. For example - XYZ says Enquirer stole Dr Chee's socks. Enquirer sues XYZ. Enquirer has to prove XYZ said that, but Enquirer does not have to prove he did NOT steal Dr Chee's socks. XYZ has to prove enquirer did steal, or he is guilty of defamation - right? In this case, was it not the burden of the SDP to prove what it said was true? Are we viewing the court case in the right perspective? MM and PM Lee were in the box as witnesses in a damage assessment - they were not on trial.

MC Tan
Get yourself an education and learn how to spell and construct sentences properly. I would think trolls like you would be better trained.

[quote=Dan, Rather You][quote]But such is the kind of journalism that Singaporeans have had to live with for decades. It is not just a disservice to the public, it is a danger.[/quote]

Which institute of higher learning awarded all those diplomas and certifications to those monkeys calling themselves journalists? Time for it to withdraw them to avoid giving itself worse reputation for having trained and certified monkeys.

Time also to direct gunfire at 1000 Toa Payoh North?

Ever considered doing a finale protest while you're wrapping up your TBT@Toa Payoh? You'd be at their doorsteps - then they can never say they didn't 'see' or get wind of your activities to report them, hahaha

But better play safe: get THEIR international 'colleagues' - first choice is melanie of Reuters ("I love you, Melanie!") - to be there just in case. Report on local reporters shirking duty to the nation to report faithfully whatever they saw. With their own eyes. And not go back to newsroom to receive a new set of instructions (from Annexe Building, via good ol Editor).[/quote]

ya man! protest outside 1000 TPY North and get the international news agencies to report on this!!!

Enquirer,

they had to prove that those remarks had the libellous meaning they claim, and the Chees were arguing otherwise.

Had those remarks been indisputably libellous, then there could be no defence. (The judge thought so, and thus made a summary judgement).

But I am no lawyer.

[quote=MC TAN]
SINGAPOREAN ARE NOT STUPID!
[/quote]

MC TAN, I have said elsewhere on this website that I will give the benefit of the doubt to your statement which have also been quoted by others. 'By and large', as people of your ilk like to say, 'Singaporeans are not stupid.' OK, I agree but up to a certain extent.

It is rather what they have fed on for all these years which have made them act stupid. A pure diet of government propaganda will surely shrivel brains and produces nincompoops. You have been warned and I hope I have not been too late as far as you are concerned. Some have progressed to a more wholesome diet based on true democratic values rather than the sham ones your beloved government has been peddling. You recognise who these healthy-looking ones are because you, in your ignorance and emasculated condition, mock and ridicule them.

The silence is with reason, the letter will be produced (don't ask me how) and Chee will be put through the drier again. Let's just say, we are not dealing with some PI who shoots off his mouth. We are talking about a person who has successfully out witted his own party members, communist, the british, the Malaysians and the general public. So often we see his speeches of his early days being highlighted. Yet he has gone agaianst almost everything he preached to get into power without blinking an eyelid or suffering any lashback. He is no novice but a grand master..we shall wait eagarly

mike u r a good dog, really trained well by pappy haha

but shoo please u very smelly same like 154 media

Just heard Davinder's response to Chee's request.

The issue has no relevance? But even Lee had thought it important to reply to Chee to reassure the court of the integrity of the judiciary. Indeed, that very ongoing court hearing would be pointless if, indeed, as Chee implied, the courts were not acting free of Lee's influence. And there was the issue of Lee's political integrity, which was to be the key factor at determining the "damages" the Chees were liable.

President of IBA had praised our juduiciary in a speech, and not in that alleged letter to our Law Society, and therefore the issue would make no material difference to the point Lee was making? But a formal letter representing the IBA would represent the Association's considered official and collective view, whereas a speech could be some expectedly polite cliches tailored to suit some opening ceremony, etc., and, in any case, might be only a personal impression of that one person.

More importantly, Lee was the key witness in that hearing. Procedurally (and Davinder had been methodically meticulous in upholding procedures in that hearing), if Lee had been inaccurate in his witnessing under oath, even if unintentionally, at one instance, then surely, the real truth has now to be established in a re-hearing. Otherwise, it would go on record that a judgement was to be made not based upon the whole truth and "nothing but the truth".

In any case, if Lee was indeed not wholly truthful, even if unintentionally, in one instance, then should not that cast some doubts as to the reliability of other aspects of his testimony, at least procedurally? Then, technically at least, the court should reconvene for Lee to be reaximined, in order that the records would be set straight, even if for nothing else?

This may not be Davinder's concern, but Judge Belinda's.

It cannot be merely assumed that Lee was only inaccurate in his testimony about that "letter", and that he wasn't lying under oath.

Especially at an assessment of "damages" where Lee's integrity was to be the point of departure, surely it is fundamental that the court establishes that, indeed, it was only an honest mistake.

Now, this can be done only at a re-hearing of the case. Procedurally, nothing can be left assumed, and judgements should be made only on the basis of what has been presented in court.

So, technically at least, Lee should present himself again to be examined, for the judge to determine that, indeed, he wasn't lying under oath.

After having passed the maximal sentence for "contempt of court" in that hearing, Judge Ang should be equally concerned about court rules on this matter, and reconvene the hearing to procedurally establish Lee had not been also guilty of "contempt of court".

The proper course of action I understand is to file a police report that perjury has been committed.

"File a report"??

It's all done in open court for all to see!

Don't we have the attorney general's offfice?

Are oue police all deaf and blind?

Need any one report?

What are they paid to do?

Catch Gopalan only?

To anonymouse, File a police report? Are you mad? Do you not know that Singapore is fertile ground for oxymorons and one of those is "police intelligence" and another is "independent judiciary"? Please leave your insults somewhere else.

When does uttered falsehood become "lies" and when "inaccuracy"?

Seems that even Davinder's dictionary is biased!

Very hard to interptret it as a mere honest "inaccuracy".

It is not as if Lee only said, "I think there was this comment, in a letter, I believe...."

He actually named the sender, decribed in specific detail the contents, and named the addressee, and the latter was an organisation quoted by name.

Very deliberste "inaccuracy" for Davinder to swallow!

They say that the greater the falsehood, the more disguise it needs to appear true.

This is almost like LKY being caught with his pants down. Haha...serve him right! If the Minister Mentor is a liar what do you think all the ministers under his mentorship would be? A defender of truth?? Maybe when they come to him for advice, he would tell them that his wisest advice is to lie and deny everything!

I thought the press would at least report it as "It's an honest mistake, let's move on".

Me and my mom stoped taking the papers because of things like this.

Straits Times...
I did meet someone who works there before, but I hasistated to ask her about the polices they have over there...

Thanks to your contribution to the culture of fear, I wised up and shut up.

What a joke.

If you are holding a respectable position such as MM, SM, u have to be absolutely certain of your answers. How else could u command respect if you are "inaccurate"? Opposition members have been subjected to relentless probes and investigation if they made "untrue" statements. So why should LKY or any members of Parliament be of any exception?