Singapore Democrats

One set of rule for PAP and a different set of rule for others, which explains. I quote, "I make no apologies that the PAP is the Government and the Government is the PAP." - Lee Kuan Yew

I think SDP might as well save some money, buy 2 houses.

One near Singapore Court.
One near Changi Prison.

This will save some TAXI fares as its so expensive now. :P

[color=red][size=medium][b] "discrimination in the application of the law "

Aiyah - so what is new in Lee Singapore??

Over and Over again and again, like little tots you all have to be told that this nation belongs to them only and its thier rule and their law and we belong to them! We must all "kowtow" to them!

Nothing will change unless and until you throw them out!

SINGAPOREANS DESERVE WHAT THEY GET!! :evil:

GOOD NITE!![/b][/size][/color]

shucks.. i am writing in more and more comments that are against your beliefs.. i don't like it, i wish i can write in something in support of your cause, but i just can't because i just can't convince myself that you guys are right.. its nothing to do with me being pro-pap as i have mentioned in other comments because i am not.. i just simply can't agree with the way you guys see things..

take the article above, CASE was able to apply for a 'protest' permit because they were fighting for a cause that is beneficial to society as a whole.
for example, if SDP were to try to hold a rally against those who indiscriminately litters, waste water/electricty, breeds mosquito, etc.. i am pretty sure u will get ur permit..

but SDP is apply for permit to protest against government policies.. which are without strong reasons other than conveniently ASSUMING that the policies are hurting singaporeans. Let me say this, although i dislike the ERP gantries which hurts me too.. but the problem is that the government has given an explanation, which no matter how much it sounds like an excuse, it actually still makes sense in the absence of a better argument from the SDP. perhaps, if SDP can give figures that can dispute the govt's facts, such as travelling speed on the roads are in fact at an acceptable range, or that ERP actually did not solve the problems, or ALternatively provide a better road design proposal, then perhaps, the protests may actually make sense.. agree?

i have some things i hope maybe SDP can fight for: (of course please get your facts in order)

1. better income for low-end jobs like cleaners, road sweepers, bus drivers (maybe) etc.. those are people who needs help and taken advantage of by profiteering companies..

2. protest against parents who allow their children to smoke.

3. protest against parents who spare the rod and spoil the child.

4. protest against parents who allow their children to bully others in school.

5. protest against snobbish parents who complains about teachers.

6. protest against foreigners who attacks singapore.

7. protest against sneaky salesman/agents/bankers.

8. protest against huge profit-making companies who do not contribute to society.

etc... i can name many more.. this are the things i will put my whole heart to support you, and would probably make me see that your party thinks about societal issues and fights for them..

[quote]PLS GO AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR SICK AND SUFFERING WIFE PLEASE! All the best to your wife pls.[/quote]


Ever since her latest stroke, I've said - and I stand by what I say - that she won't live to see out her biggest wish: That of grandson assuming Dragon throne.

In fact, I was - and am more so now - convinced that she won't in fact last to see NDP fireworks this year.

Any bets against that? $1 pays $43 (43rd year after being butted out, mah). Logon to singaporefools.con for more.

Let's just hope she won't mati the very same day
- unnecessary worry lah, since that party and family are known to consult astrologers from Thais to taiwanese, engage bomohs too
(ever wonder why in all past NDPs, only one year where the heavens poured but never at all others? Indon bomohs paid with public funds to drive rain away in case their one show-per year gets dampened, mah) -
then NDP gets cancelled, ruining months and months of prparations by eager young schoolchildren.

They'd do that if that scenario plays out - who's greater than my dear Mommy, the PMS would say, and they will DARE do it, your months and months of sweat notwithstanding!!!

After all, they don't care. They will bring everyone down with them if things take a turn for the worse.

Case in point?

May 12 - Day of stroke. Emergency hospitalization;

May 12 - Around same time, worst China quake in 30 years, maybe worse than Tangshan 76 in eventual toll.

[i]I die, you die also. I will pull you down with me through eighteen levels of hades :evil: [/i]

Govt Gazette Announcement #2 - GST will be raised by 1% to cover funeral expenses.

Can I suggest one more protest? The most bizarre:-

To protest against making Singapore like a (company)business in itself while making Singaporeans as compulsory workers (old and elderly included) which is not on society's benefit but to the benefits of the ruling government who had openly claimed millions of dollars of salaries as the management officers and CEO of Singapore 'Inc.' and providing life 'insurance' in the name of CPF but keep hold of the monies instead of returning to its righteous owners to enjoy their retirements. :whistle:
A protest to stop this 'business'. Can?

I sensed that all these small detailed protests made by SDP previously combined together is equal to what I have just mentioned above.

typical singaporean... that you are

so with your logic, of needing a permit to protest, you are saying that the government makes the call on what a "free" person can protest on and what he can't???

if that is the case, you are not free. and that is what sdp is telling paple like you. if you cannot protest against a government, cannot critisize a government, how will you ever change it or change things for the betterment of people... what, you think asking for a permit to criticize would ever be allowed...

and to top it off you still do not get it because you are exactly like the government by listing what you think someone else should protest on and what they should not???

one day your child may want to protest against the high cost of education. my answer to you is to tell your son forget his protest and go find work

one day you may want to protest high gas prices. I will tell you forget your protest, if you cannot afford a car and gas you should not have got one in the first place.

one day your wife will be sick and you cannot afford treatment. you find others like you and you want to protest by asking the government to bring down costs. my answer to you is go get another job and don't waste my time by protesting.

do you see, people have different needs and just because it does not suit you does not mean that it should not suit others as well.

one day a bully will beat up your son and you and other parents want to protest against the school for not having security. my answer to you is to teach your little girly son how to fight.

it can go on and on but it does not matter to people like you until it affects you.

one day a prc will take your job. you like thousands of other singaporeans want to protest. my answer to you is quit crying and go clean toilets.

don't be typical and think. right now your mind seems to be about as open as an ants butthole

If unjust policies and laws were not challenged, obeying them only leads us to stone age. Without fighting for our independence, we would still be a British colony.

Your number 1 suggestion goes all the way to town council and all the way back to the government's office?

You number 2, 3, 4 suggestions are all against parents. They have to work so hard to make ends meet. Hence the neglecting of growing children. This is not the era of our parents and grandparents. That time we all have slower pace. This is now a greedier era, an era where everyone needs to work or lack behind. An era where you are forced to leave your babies in the hand of foreign nannies. That goes back to a protest to the government who had insisted that we have to work or face competition with foreign talents. In a way, we have lost family values just by chasing to compete and making money to survive.
The government has also approved of the police forces' interferences in handling youth below the age of 17 - should be home by 11pm. It helps, but a ridiculous curfew though. They have also make sure that every young Singaporean should not make any mistakes , not an iota of mistake including smoking. Or else they will have juvenile record throughout their lives!! Er, do you see children climbing trees nowadays? No? That is equal to? So, your suggestions on number 2, 3 and 4 shouldn't be to parents but to the government.

All your suggestions in protest will eventually equals to against the government. An existing social issue. :pinch:

I think that if you can gather more people in the next round of protest, and managed to be peaceful, then the police won't be able to do anything to you

Dr Chee & Company,

walk on brother. at this rate they are pushing us, we will be joining you soon in numbers to protest. don't pay the fine, go jail. let the world see the ugly side of old fark & company.

If you had an ounce of critical thought rather than mere 'common sense', you would see that anything that remotely threatens their power will not be endorsed. Even if it means that that preserving that power is detrimental to social or economic well-being of Singaporeans in the long term.

That would include anything to do with the opposition rallying people for a "legitimate" (as defined by you) issue. The last thing they want to see is opposition gaining greater ground support and will do everything to curb it. Hey they even banned WP's cycling event that had nothing to do with government policies.

Instead of YOU conveniently assuming that the SDP has no valid economic arguments, why don't you read and refute what they have put forth in their manifesto and publications? You are the one who has nothing to show for with your silly assertions. Look at the mirror before pointing the finger.

thanks for some great comments/arguments from some of you like AnnA and Carlson.. the rest, please refrain from personal attacks in your arguments.. it only makes u sound snobbish and uncouth. our ways of thinking and preference are different.. can you accept that? or are you too undemocratic?

i have mentioned before in other comments, my preference for society is one that is peaceful. i don't want my country to have protests and demonstrations everywhere.. i don't call that democracy, cause its eating into my freedom of a peaceful society.

Carlson, u mentioned protests against unjust policies.. well, i would surely agree with u, if the facts are indeed well presented... which i always hope the opposition including SDP would bring out.. but like i said, and what i have seen so far, the arguments just can't outweigh the explanations given by the government. and when i say arguments, it should include considerations on why the government do enforce certain policies rather than just arguing that the policies hurts singaporeans, or are undemocratic and so on. the policies are there for a reason and until the opposition and invalid the reasonings and offer alternatives, simply arguing and protesting will not win any votes.

SDP, don't wait for singaporeans to grow weary of the present government and choose you, that would be the biggest mistake for everyone of us. instead, we should only choose you if you can present that you are a better government. you have articles that mention about CPF, old folks working, destitute people, foreign talents.. i don't doubt them altogether, but please tell me, what would you do if you were to be the government? and would your policies be sustainable in the long term.

Dr. Chee, you got your Doctorate, how did you write your papers? do the same thing, research, research and research, hypothesise, and prove your concept and present your findings.. please..

Since application for such a Permit is NOT likely to be approved and issued, they might as well just proceed without one.

And as Dan has pointed out, at the rate this Foreigners Action Party is pushing us (frugalizing our existence here), the day will come when all of us have got nothing left to lose and we will be out in great force to join Dr Chee. This happening is not remote or farfetch - they are up-pricing living costs beyond MANY locals' ability to upkeep.

MM Lee stated that over time people becomes 'bored' with his government and decides to vote for opposition... no, we are not bored, we are SICK & TIRED & FED-UP with his administration!
We are pretty damn near WITS ENDS!!!

[color=blue][b]After the many Opposition Noise - M'sia govt would be injecting S$12.3B into"Pp'le-centric" projects to wuell public anger over Msia inflation to help its people!

Now that is making its govt walk the talk![/b][/color]

If SDP wants to show how united they are..

Then the SDP members should go to East Coast Park or Marina Bay to have a PICNIC or a overnight BBQ camp..

Nobody will charge you for doing that.

And invite others to join in for the PICNIC or BBQ.. Free coke and chicken wings and fruits..

It'll be a happy family gathering with NO trouble to be charged.

Picnic and BBQ... It's a form of protest too, since it's outdoors.

But nobody will want to catch you for that.

If we look at the protests held overseas, they are being led by firebrands who give fiery speech that inspires people.

The problem in Singapore is that we have very few militant people who are willing to lead these protest.

Look at the a anti-US beef protest, the pre-election protest by BERSIH in Malaysia. If protest are going to be successful you got to really plan how to bring in more people. Provide free bus service maybe..hehe..? Just joking.

But seriously, Dr. Chee is militant in some ways. Just that he does not speech speak English the way locals do; got to speak the "street" language. If he does, then I think more people will support him.

Protest will yield result, we need more force, 18 is a start but we need 800, 8000, are they going to put us all in Jail?? We must push till we see change for the better. Old Fart knows, his days are numbered. Just hope the people get him first before the grim reaper

as i always say b4 . the more bad thing u do the more your love one will suffer...

[quote=tunkudon]as i always say b4 . the more bad thing u do the more your love one will suffer...[/quote]

Agreed. The whole problem is that even at the age of 84 that sickening old fart Lee still does not seem to understand your point.

Talking about "love one" as you mentioned, I doubt he even knows what love is all about. Consider : At such a critical time when he ought to be spending precious last moments with his wife all he cares is still about power, money, how to FOOL stupid Singaporeans into believing that the country cannot survive without his PAP.

About PAP,...
PAP = Pay And Pay
PAP = Poor Also Pay
PAP = Poorer And Poorer
PAP = Persecution And Prison
PAP = Perish Also Pay

With ERP = Everyday Rob People.

It's not difficult to see why we need opposition parties in the government.

[quote]CASE was able to apply for a 'protest' permit because they were fighting for a cause that is beneficial to society as a whole.[/quote]

Please, could you, provide a list od the who's who in the CASE hierarchy?

Seah Seng Choon - correct name? - is a SECONDMENT from NTUC. Yes, NTUC, parent of Fairprice.

Which is the unsuspecting Sheng Siong Supermarket gor hackeled recently over their 'exorbitant' rice prices, no?

Let's not even talk about its other office-bearers who read more like a list of who's who of a PAP membership list than anything else.

And consumers' rights bodies exist to protect consumer interest, not go round issuing CASEtrust logo stickers to endorse businesses.

Such bodies must start from the premise that EVERY BUSINESS IS EVIL AND A PROFITEERING DEMON; work starts there.

Insted, Singapore's consumer rights' advocate - or are consumers too, by theri definition, since they consume public goods and service like utilities, etc? - seems to have woken up from the wrong end of bed and goes round finding businesses it thinks consumers should patronize???

If that's the case - every pun intended - then go back to sleep, will you, CASE? Sleep forever, RIP.

Did you see those thw faces of those rookie cops tasked with the unnviable job of arresting protesting - in every of those arrests, including the one at Excelsior Hotel - and those made to record all proceedings for the LEEsons?

How embarrassed, no, how confuse and shameful they felt :confused: when especially their faces come into SDPcams' focus?

Why? Because even they knew what they were doing, at the behest of their mastrs, were unreasonable, ridiculous and immoral, somethings that would get them into 'trouble' when they exit this world and have to face judgment in the nether, especially rebuke from their ancestors before them?

This is what the LEEsons are doing to Singaporeans - pitting them off one another, playing one group off against another.

Which is why that Hsien yang-lookalike of a "I'm in charge here" inspector-whatever ("ONG"? makes me puke to think he's a Hokkien) kept hiding in the bavckground
- let poor good old Inspector Tan, or Hokkien brother do the dirty work the way he learnt from his Hakka masters who always get their dirty work done for them -
until he decided time was running out and he might sooner lose his job if Ah Chin wasn't sooner bundled off to their "Special Command Operations" HQ.

Sigh, why must the lowly rank-and-file be made to do work they know is unjustifiable in any court of public opinion, never mind that of justice since none like that exists in Singapore... :confused: :s :unsure: :side: :dry: :0 :angry: ...?

If they only bothered to stop and think and ask their superiors:
"Sir, Ma'am, why are we doing this to our fellow countrymen and women who after all have valid and justifiable issues and concerns (our families are also crumbling under the high costs put on us by the LEEsons) and only wanted to address them in the most peaceful manner? It isn't as if Chee was Anwar and went acalling for masses to gather in the tens of thousands???"

Many rank-and-file members of our police corps do feel, we are all 1 trillio % sure, the crunch and weight upon them, espcially in these two years when we thought originally, "Ah, SARS behind us, China and India booming, we are set to fly - just like the LEEsons keep telling us."

Which explains why their work is suffering
- specially too because it's apparent there's been heavy manpower cuts (in order to free up payroll costs in order to pay Shorty more to shore up his bank accounts), there're fewer we see around as opposed to the days when there was almost a koban around every corner and boys-in-blue riding round our estates on bicycle patrol -
such that there is a breakdown inpublic security
- and don't you dare claimotherwise, for anecdotal stats prove themselves, what with more open thefts and robberies (in & near marketplaces, in and near lifts, carparks, all public places in open, grand public view!),
mailbox thefts (not mail but the very aluminum boxes that contain our mail!!!),
more and unnecessary traffic accidents piling up on our ERP/COE/Road Tax/PARF/but less, less TP-monitored roads ("We employ modern hi-tech what!"),
escapes by detained persons of crimes major and minor ("I don't wanna talk about that Mas liao lah, he made me so mal, lucky Brother Loong let me keep my $2m salary, keke"),
guns surfacing in the underworld leading to execution-style killing (bad intelligence - understaffed lah, of course, so to pay Seng more loh, as said before),
slip-thoughs at airports by people using othes' passports ("Ya la, me kena jialat jialat oso da last time when Tang Liang Hoong 'slipped' past Woodlands, don't know if someone superceded my chain of command and let him do so or not, me scapegoat-ed by Singaporeans again that time..."),
and so on, and on, and on ....

This place is breaking down - and no Singaporeans are going to or even can pick up the pieces again. There aren't any real ones left anyway, given the alien invasion, first by the New Chinamen and Banglas and lately by their alien offspring!

Scar~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~y

typical singaporean... you are truly a moron

a personal attack???
errrrrr, are you not protesting by calling for decency from others???
[i]-protest: a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something-----
[/i]

let's play a game, let's experiment

typical singaporean, the law on the books is if you want to protest or disagree with sdp position's here, you must file for a permit, and i am the one who will allow/disallow it...

so what do you typical singaporean, i will not allow you to speak here because you do not conform to my laws of only agreeing and praising the sdp to gain public confidence and keep me in power. and only if you agree to what i allow you to say or express, will you be able to write here. do you agree to only saying good things??? yes or no???

typical singaporean, so now that you know I hold all the cards, do you pack it up and leave or do you challenge and engage???

If you pack it up and leave, then now we know why you call yourself typical singaporean. I will watch you and make sure you never are allowed to challenge because to me, you are a troublemaker. And even if what you have to say can help people, I will shut you down.

If you want to challenge me, I will arrest you because I disallow you to send a message of unconformity and i do not approve your permit to post here. you do not side with public opinion, with law, you must be a psychopath.

...and this is what happens

ok, game/experiment over

you see, he seems to try and write well, but his thoughts hold no substance. he does not seem to be able to understand humans are individuals and have individual needs. he is exactly the type of person who would label people as "digits" and therefore we already know his bias.

he will never get until it effects him personally and then it will be too late.

The leegime in Singapore sucks. the police only good at going after patriotic Singaporeans exercicising their demoncratic and human rights.
They are wasting their resources which can be better utilized to handle real crimes.
Singaporeans should undertake more of such protests to regain their freedom and human rights which were robbed by the leegime.

[quote]The protesters have to appear in Court 23 at the Subordinate Courts on 11 Jul 08 at 9am.[/quote]

Thank you for letting know the date and time, and please accept my - I am doing it for myself and not on behalf of my compatriots - apologies for not having been there during your march to Parliament House.

I suddenly recall and note with interest about a hundred Chinaman construction coolies and we all know how these Hunanese, Hubei-er, north-eastern Wu Song-burly types, how rough and violent they can be or get - who did a sit-in protest not too long back were never arrested or have had their particulars taken down. So why the different treatment this time and others to you and other Singaporeans like John who are nothing but all well-schooled, mild-mannered, decent, obedient scholarly types :s ?

I am writing to say that this time, on July 11, no, I won't be there in spirit (although I understand my compatriots have to earn a living and so cannot attend) but will be there in person.

I cannot honestly sit back and watch while Juan and others are doing so much for OUR Singapore and us, their fellow countrymen and women.

I will be there. There is no more time left if I want the Singapore that is a fair and decent for me and my famly to live in, to go on living in - we cannot afford o ship out and we will not ship out because why should we? Ship out andlet those freeloading foreigners come take our place to enjoy fruits of our ancestors' labor? No way!

If even July 11 does not eventually turn into a day to remember for me personally or for this antion as a whole, I will want mny more July 11s to show that WE WANT CHANGE - until change occurs and there is no more July 11.

Mark this day, my fellow men. Join me too if you, like me, want change to really take place.

It will be a very sad day if we let these eighteen good souls face Adversity by themselves.

Mom, take care. I'm only doing what Pa had taught - to live a decent life like a digniied human should and not be bullied by another.

[quote]MLM - Greater Crowd would be better Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:44 am

I think that if you can gather more people in the next round of protest, and managed to be peaceful, then the police won't be able to do anything to you [/quote]

Since when were SDP and Juan's protests never peaceful??? Stop reading - AND BELIEVING - your ST (just use it to get your foreign news) - an/or start THINKING :idea: :idea:

Thanks for doing what you did.

Now, if ever any MP (of the GRC I live in but was never voted in by the GRC - mine was a walkover) steps into my neighborhood to want to do a walkabout, I am going to spread the word around and gather up all the septuarian and octogenarian cardboard-and-empty-cans collectors to line up his/her route to royally 'welcome' him/her. Every part of the way.

And using of course cardboard as our banners and drinks cans as our tung-tung-chiang.

Make sure it was a walkabout to talk about for the rest of the year, heehee.

By the way, I may need loads of eggs too. Anyone knows anyone who may give a discount - I'm a bit hard up since retrenchment '97 lah - on eggs? never mind even if they'r cheap because they are rotten - the more rotten, the better, haha.

Time to go back to our grandfather days when they showed their true colours to people like William Goode, etc.

Time to do what suppressed peoples everywhere do, including even UK where a bloke went up to a minister (yes,during his walkabout) to give him a piece of his mind (and fist, haha).

In this moneyed society, where the customer is king, we pay taxes so we are their 'father', we can show our colours!

No matter how you flip, it is always the same old faces and jokers doing the protests. The same people who make crude remarks about the govt and praises about SDP. If 1,000 other people join your protest, then we will be moved. Otherwise SDP is all talk no action party. No wonder 20% support at last elections.

To Mike,
You are wrong.Even WP could not get a permit for cycling activities at East coast Park.How can SDP get a BBQ permit, given that WP (an approved opposition)could not get one.The MHA has a lot of excuses not to issue permit to opposition parties,simply because they want to suppress oppositions !

[quote=Mike]If SDP wants to show how united they are..

Then the SDP members should go to East Coast Park or Marina Bay to have a PICNIC or a overnight BBQ camp..

[/quote]

Mike, SDP is a political party, not a tea party. For your information, there is a world of difference between the two. If you want to be taken seriously, please say something intelligent. It seems that the years of nannying by your beloved mentor have resulted in nothing but befuddled thoughts in your narrow mind. Do you think that your beloved leader has done a bad job or is it you who have not learned well?

[quote]Stri - re: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:07 pm

Anonymous wrote:
The protesters have to appear in Court 23 at the Subordinate Courts on 11 Jul 08 at 9am.


The ones involved at Parliament House you mean.
[/quote]


Dear Stri,

Yes, those 18.

And now PLUS ONE - me. i will be joining them, not as these brave 18 who are facing the judge, LEe JUDGE (erm, hope they get Belinda An the wayward Hokkien to hear this one, hahaha - wouldn't that be fun, Juan and Chin? Hee)

There's ASEAN PLUS THREE, Asean PLUS this-and-that, I am going to be copycat and do a
[size=x-large]SDP 18 PLUS ONE :idea: [/size]

I will be wearing red - even though the color is anathema to my 8 characters, according to my sifu - in a show of support.

[i]Can I actually go naked but wrap our state standard round? Offense? Why? Ah bo mai la, that flag is THEIR flag anyway, they invented it (5 stars woh, just like communist PRC) and my grandfathers and uncles never voted in any referendum those 2 times to say they wanted union and then independence (booting out)...[/i]

Stri, care to join me - aiyo, not in the shower lah, the hearing lah, the hearing - so that it will then be SDP 18 PLUS TWO :) ?

[b]Illegal rally: 18 getting summons [/b]

[b]By Jeremy Au Yong [/b]

EIGHTEEN people are being summoned to court for their involvement in an illegal assembly outside Parliament House earlier this year and for taking part in a subsequent march.
Several among the group ? who include activists, Singapore Democratic Party (SDP) members and supporters ? have already received letters stating the charges they face and asking them to turn up in court on July 11.
They each face two charges: For being part of an illegal assembly; and for participating in an illegal procession. Both are offences under the Miscellaneous Offences (Public Order and Nuisance) Act and carry fines of up to $1,000 upon conviction.
The offences allegedly took place on March 15, when the group held an assembly outside Parliament House to express their anger over inflation and rising consumer prices. The gathering was organised by the SDP to mark World Consumer Rights Day.
As part of their assembly, the group placed items of food items such as rice, sugar and biscuits on the ground. The organisers went ahead with the assembly despite having their application rejected by the police, who cited security concerns.
[b]Read the full story in Saturday's edition of The Straits Times
[/b]

WOW! All the four races Chinese, Malays, Indians and Eurasians coming together as one to voice their dissent. Or at least one rep. from each group

Great job. :woohoo:

ALL SING NOW. ONE NATION, ONE PEOPLE, ONE SINGAPORE!!!!!!!

moron calling who? .. how's that to start a debate..
c'mon, i'm all for a good debate/discussion/exchange of opinions.., and the truth is that I find some (but few) of the SDP supporters arguments valid. i'm fine with thumbs down ratings for those who do not support my opinions, but i'm definitely against emotional arguments and character attacks.

your so called ‘experiment’ is flawed as an analogy of the rule of law against the opposition. Well firstly, I did not break any of SDP’s website forum rules, since there isn’t one anyway, unless I missed it. But in any case, I believe in general forum rules of being cordial, non-flaming and refraining from racially/religiously sensitive issues etc. On the other hand, if the website were to have a set of rules, and one which I find unacceptable, I guess I would just leave the forum, and find other forums I feel has more ‘democracy’. I would not attempt to break the rules or hack the website if I intend to stay on, after all, the majority believes in the website, and I only represent me. Now, if I do in fact believe so strongly of my rights to break the rules, the web administrator is within his rights to file a complain against me, to protect his forum and its supporters. How would the SDP and its supporters feel if I were to bring in other web forums administrators to interfere with your forum rules?

The rule of law today and has always been, did not state that everyone must only support the governing party or government and to only say good things about them. But it does state that, if u were to say bad things against the party or the government, or for that matter, against any public individual, you better be prepared to present the true facts and not just personal opinions and emotional blabberings.

your arguments are based a lot on your personal assumptions of what I am, which again are grossly flawed. (Would I sadly say, is so far, typical of SDP’s characteristic, as has been publicly displayed, not my assumption).

I’ve made many comments, I believe, if taken seriously by SDP and its supporters, would only make SDP a better and stronger party. Possibly, one I would find myself supporting.

typical singaporean, you've been arrested
i did not grant you a permit to speak here.

the majority of citizens here in this website conform, you do not. same as dr. chee thinks he has logical things to say but is not granted permits, i did not grant you yours. you must report to police station and turn yourself in for speaking here without permit.


typical singaporean, what you are, i do not care. the point of this experiment is to show you that you have been arrested for speaking without a permit, for protesting here without a permit.

and if you find what i am saying illogical, irrelevant, stupid, idiotic, unfair UNJUST and the like, then surely you must find the current laws on the books UNJUST.

we'd probably have a good debate, however, the problem is that a debate is not allowed with the current situation in singapore. if you cannot see the points being made here no one can help you.


true, the rule of law does not say you must support the ruling government, but this irrelevant. nonetheless, you still spoke here without a permit no mater how logical your position is, you did not play by my rules, kindly turn yourself in two weeks from now. in the meantime, i will take your cel phone and keep it for 3 months so i can investigate.

Hehehe.. I laughed at your(anonymous) reply to typical singaporean. He still didn't get it.

Hi typical singaporean, our anonymous friend is trying to tell you how the game is played to SDP by our authority. It seems like you somewhat feel 'helpless'(I know you are not but you sounded frustrated in expressing your replies) and tried to clarify your purpose of commenting here. That's what is happening to any political parties here in Singapore. There is no sense of fairness at all.

By the way.. Reform Party is organising a dinner on 11th July. Same date :(

Mr & Ms Chee, I hope you will all be there too. I truly want to see cooperations between two PAP opposition party, that is SDP and RP. Although you won't merge, the co operation between two parties that truly want to help change policies in Singapore can definitely gain many supporters.

[quote]The protesters have to appear in Court 23 at the Subordinate Courts on 11 Jul 08 at 9am.[/quote]


ST reported June 19, 2008 (Home page H2) that The Reform Party will hold its inaugural dinner on July 11, 2008.

Interestingly, July 11, 2008 happens to be the date of your hearing.

(When were you served the papers informing you of this particular date, can you recall?)

Interestingly too, the same page featured a very prominent write-up on The Tapes
- yes, THE TAPES -
that no one was supposed to "reproduce or transmit in any form or by any means, any material contained in thetranscript or on any audio record supplied (to us)."

Guess you have another charge facing you. Nothing out of the ordinary or the unexpected though, so, oh well, what's one more after [i]n [/i]number of charges, right :) ?

anna,
i'm glad you found this exercise humorous :)
i think most people who get what this experiment is pointing out will find it humorous, sickening, or even pathetic.

well, maybe i really didn't get it :huh: :?: .. but the fact is the 'experiment' failed to prove any point.. :D it really didn't .. i can't find any equation between ur comparisons.. here’s some suggestions to improve/correct ur little 'experiment'-

point 1: based on my peaceful 'protests' & 'public speaking' so far.. shut me out of this forum (assuming u have the authority to).. then ur 'experiment' may be comparable to, say, Myannmar politics.

point 2: assuming my 'protests' included breaking rules (eg. Hacking/defacing the website, including placing my comments all over the website at the wrong places, instead of just the forum area, spreading baseless allegations about the web admins and telling the rest of the web world how bad this website is.. etc.), now based on this scenario, if u shut me out/investigate/arrest me.. then ur ‘experiment’ would be successful in showing a somewhat closer resemblance of our political situation.

By the way, frustrated, I am definitely not :P I do enjoy the exchanges and reading well presented comments by some.. perhaps, only slightly annoyed by uncouth remarks.. ;)

[color=red][b]What bloody rubbish govt ploy again and again!

M'sian govt helps to absorb all petrol hikes here another round of taxi cab fare increase due to petrol rise not absorbed by the rich govt but passed the buck to poor Singaporeans??

What "tai chi" is this? Again same bloody nonsense???

HEY SINGAPOREANS CAN YOU ALL WAKE UP OR NOT???? :evil: :evil: [/b][/color]

[quote]Joanna Chan, Steffy Lim - Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:11 am

Michael Fay case--direct plea from President Clinton.

Gopalan Case--Not a word from the White House.
[/quote]


Yes, so what does THAT tell you, Singaporean?

No use lookinh outside to look in. Wanna change? Change from within.

Which - correct me if I am wrong, Juan - is why Chee soon Juan is never going to go down that route? He's eminently qualified to a US citizenship, Taiwanese too, if he so desires.

But deep down he knows that that's no way to go about bringing about CHANGE.

USA, for all its wonderful ideas and actions so far for DEMOCRACY, was and still is a place for democracy.

Oh, for its citizens. Equal opportunities, they say. Equal rights, blah blah blah.

But wait.

What color are you?

Like I have always believed that PC commander during boot camp, "everyone is equal and therefore treated equal but there are some who are MORE equal than others."

Nair is not only an ex-Singaporean 'seeking refuge' - sorry, Gopi, but that's the truth - by attempting transformation, from one passport to another, but THE FACT STILL REMAINS HE IS NOT AMERICAN OR NOT AMERICAN ENOUGH! Not am Indian born in the US of Indian migrants, not an Indian th likex of the Mittals, but an Indian of non-importance at that, most damningly!

America is good if you're Irish or of Anglo-Saxon extract (and if not at least be white).

But God bless not America if you're not AMERICAN (enough; read Irish, Anglo-Saxon or white European, even Aryan types).

Don't nobody say otherwise and contradict what I've just said to be the unspeakable truth - and excuse my wrong grammar, typos, misspells, etc, I've been quenchinh my thirst in these goddamn tropics with Tigers... damn Tigers, if i had the money to pay more for a $5.20 bottle in this geylang kopitiam, I'd have gonr for Carlsberg or Gusiness, but I'm broke, sorries)..

Let us all do our part in our own small way. I am going to do something the NDP they have planned for my precinct. And I hope that everyone else can do their little part like me to draw attention to Singapore's collective plight, that they ought not be celebrating any more meaningless, PAP-organized NDPs.

(Dear Dr Chee, I've been posting quite vigorously on your website's many fora recently. I'm beginning to get paranoid especially since they made ST report about the tapes heard on this website, like I'm sure others would too.
Could you please tell us how we can, in the eventuality the boys-in-blue come knocking on our doors, 'preempt' by leaving our names and addresses somewhere on the Internet so that if eventually our voices aren't heard anymore - i.e. we little people have been packed off to St John's or Sister Islands by ISD - at least we have the assurance that we aren't forgotten and that we see hope in your coming for us eventually? Thank you.)

You say the CASE protest is beneficial to society?
A seemingly fabricated no gut protest, is of benefit?
Please.

You think SDP sucks because the straights times runs ridiculous articles about the SDP man.

NO MATTER WHAT SDP DOES, THEY WILL BE HARRASSED.

That's the fact.
Get your straight first.

What exactly are you against?

No matter how much I read your enteris, it makes no solid sense.

Please do give me something that isn't fed from that sad excuse for a mass media called the Straits Times.

It's 2008, so wake up. Most of us have moved on. Try to get your information from more intellectual and credible sources please.

typical singaporean is really just trying people's patience. he really does not offer anything and cannot hold an argument. he really is a typical singaporean in the sense that he is one tracked minded, does not hear anything but what is programed in his head and frankly speaking, he is what the next generations are trying to move on from. typical singaporean, you are welcome to be a singaporean of tomorrow. singaporeans are fully aware of the rhetoric you puppet and parrot and the country is at a divide. i suggest you choose your side. we've heard it all, we see your typicalness everyday. we are moving forward and i suggest you do the same.

[quote=Anonymous]typical singaporean is really just trying people's patience.[/quote]
how so? so u r losing ur patience? wish u could jail me and send me away? reflections.....
[quote=Anonymous]he really does not offer anything and cannot hold an argument. [/quote] example? i have rebutted your points, but none, practically none of you here has rebutted mine.. all of you just choose to ignore the facts that I bring up..
[quote=Anonymous]he really is a typical singaporean in the sense that he is one tracked minded, does not hear anything but what is programed in his head [/quote] not exactly true, i am open to the realistic way of life, and the way of life i believe in.. is that so wrong? at least i am not protesting illegally against people like you.. right? though it will truly be funny to have a protest against low quality oppositions.. in fact i have even thought about it.. hold a campaign to ensure that opposition leaders meet a minimum standard of reasonableness, common sense, understanding of practicality etc..
[quote=Anonymous] and frankly speaking, he is what the next generations are trying to move on from. typical singaporean, you are welcome to be a singaporean of tomorrow. singaporeans are fully aware of the rhetoric you puppet and parrot and the country is at a divide. [/quote]
don't push things too hard.. things should only move ahead as and when we are ready, depending at various social factors.
[quote=Anonymous]
i suggest you choose your side. we've heard it all, we see your typicalness everyday. we are moving forward and i suggest you do the same.[/quote]
i don't need to choose any side, as there is only one side, which is Singapore.

you see Mr. Anonymous.. u keep losing your patience.. i can tell u r probably a very ill-tempered person, possibly snobbish, a real grumbler, and just loses patience with things that doesn;t go your way.. chill man :)

[quote]Carlson, u mentioned protests against unjust policies.. well, i would surely agree with u, if the facts are indeed well presented... which i always hope the opposition including SDP would bring out.. but like i said, and what i have seen so far, the arguments just can't outweigh the explanations given by the government. and when i say arguments, it should include considerations on why the government do enforce certain policies rather than just arguing that the policies hurts singaporeans, or are undemocratic and so on. [/quote]
Consider this:
[quote]"Right now we have Low Thia Khiang, Chiam See Tong, Steve Chia. We can deal with them. Suppose you had 10, 15, 20 opposition members in Parliament. Instead of spending my time thinking what is the right policy for Singapore, I'm going to spend all my time thinking what's the right way to fix them, to buy my supporters votes, how can I solve this week's problem and forget about next year's challenges?" LHL May 3 2006 [/quote]
Correct me if I'm wrong but from the quote, the key question is whether the garmen is ever going to listen to anyone else, be it good or bad argument because only one good guy is thinking of the right policy for Singapore. How can anyone else present good arguments. Over the years, how many good arguments were from the opposition and if so how many were accepted. If my memory didn't fail me, zero. Do you believe we really had such bad opposition?
I'm not entirely in sync with everything SDP, but some things did strike a cord with me so if you want to argue fairly, you need to look broader especially the fundamental obstacles the oppositions are facing and trying to overcome. And as you said correctly, a peaceful and clear channel of presenting their views without fear.

Quote Ngiam - World Class Performance Thu, 03 Jul 2008 5:27 [quote]pm

Quote from Ngiam"

As S'pore govt aspire for World Class lifestyles, we need to remember that they have to deliver World Class Performance, no mistakes about it!"[/quote]


Please, please, please, good people. Surely this time in the year of our Lord 2008, we shouldn't still be talking about the pros and cons, merits and demerits, etc, etc, mundane things concerning with this family's continued rule - salaries, policy screw-ups, etc - surely.

[size=medium]It is time to discuss the HOW's of giving this party THE BOOT, no? This government, as epitomized by Shorty Short-tongued Seng Seng's position, is NO LONGER TENABLE. Surely.

Time for a post-Lee, post-PAP direction and way forward for Singapore. What are we still talking about the little details of what happened, the various episodes, etc.

THAT TIME HAS PASSED! IT'S TIME TO SEE HOW WE CAN, BY OURSELVES WITHOUT CLAMORING OUTSIDE ASSISTANCE, BRING ABOUT THIS FAMILY & THEIR CRONIES' DOWNFALL!

Hope no one after this comment barks up the meaningless and directionless tree of examining the little things - events have overtaken that, it's time real change comes about![/size]
And come [size=x-large]NOW[/size]


Will start the ball rolling by voicing displeasure and indignance in morning at GC Mt Vernon holiday camp against inept, ill-disciplined Nepalis for putting our security at risk by their dereliction of duty in letting slip HEAD OF SOUTH EAST ASIA's LARGEST TERRORIST NETWORK, the al Qaeda-linked Jemaah Islamiyah, on 27 Feb and still unable to track him down - with their superior trekking and tracking skills - AFTER 126 DAYS IN TEENY-WEENY SINGAPORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!