Lee lost for words (audio recording 1)

Tuesday, 10 June 2008

Singapore Democrats

We published this transcript earlier. We are posting it again with the audio-recording so readers can hear for themselves what transpired in court during the hearing when Dr Chee Soon Juan cross-examined Mr Lee Kuan Yew.

If you prefer, you can download the audio here (.aac, 3.5 MB) or here (.mp3, 1.4 MB).

CSJ: Mr Lee, we get to meet at last.

LKY: (pause)...Sorry?

CSJ: We get to meet at last.

LKY: I thought we've met many other times across election rallies.

CSJ: Your memory fails you. I've never met you before and you know why? Because you keep avoiding me. (Mr Lee laughs) Well, we have this opportunity right now. Let me ask you this question. You gave an interview saying: "If you defame us, and if I'm involved, I go to the the witness box and you can question me not only on the particular defamation issue, but on all issues in my life." Do you stand by your words?

LKY: I do.

CSJ: Good. In the course of the cross-examination, will you then answer questions not just on this particular defamation issue, but on all issues in your life -- and I don't mean your personal life, I mean your political life? Will you stand by that?

LKY: Your Honour, we appeared in court when the issue was whether or not the summary judgment was proper. That was the time to challenge --

CSJ: Mr Lee, that was not my question.

Judge: Allow the witness to answer. Mr Lee, please go on.

LKY: I have to answer. I'm a lawyer. I no longer practice the law. I know your purpose. You dodged that occasion and you're trying -- Dr Chee is trying today when the issue is the question of quantum of damages, it's not liability. I'm here to answer questions relating to the quantum of damages.

CSJ: Thank you. Then why is it that you say you will go to the witness box --

LKY: I have already explained that, Your Honour --

CSJ: -- and answer questions not just particular to this defamation issue but on all issues of your life. Now tell me, are those just brave words meant for public consumption and in this situation right now you're turning tail and running?

LKY: Ha ha ha, no Your Honour --

CSJ: Good. Then you won't mind me asking you why is it that you make this application to cut short your cross-examination precisely when you walk in at noon and say that you have to be stopped in the cross-examination by 2:15 giving me. the defence, only two hours and fifteen minutes, and then insisting that all of us can't go for lunch. And on top of that refusing to tell the court what this "important matter" you have this afternoon is.

LKY: That's...Your Honour...(pause)

CSJ: I'm lost for words too as I think you are right now.

LKY: ...(pause; Mr Lee was seen opening his mouth to answer but no words came out)

CSJ: Go ahead, Mr Lee.

LKY: ...(pause)

CSJ: No answer? That settles the question then.

LKY: Ha ha ha.

Judge: Dr Chee!

CSJ: Fine, let Mr Lee continue. I'm just waiting. He's probably lost for words because he doesn't quite know what to say at this stage.

Judge: If you keep interrupting the witness...Yes, Mr Lee.

LKY: ...(even longer pause)

CSJ: Please don't run down the clock. I've only got a few minutes.

At this stage, Mr Davinder Singh jumped in to bail out Mr Lee.

Singh: What is the question? Dr Chee has made so many points in his speech. He has already been told that the time to cross-examine the witness was during the summary judgment. If he had leave to defend. All issues would have been open for Dr Chee to have questioned him. The witness said that for Dr Chee to have questioned him. The witness said that Dr Chee had dodged that application and is now trying through the back door to introduce impermissible material. The witness said he is here as he said to answer questions on quantum. Dr Chee should really get on with the issue of quantum.

CSJ: Let me ask the question again. Mr Lee, you have said that you are here to answer these questions and I say that in that case why did you make an application to, halfway through the session, want the court to cut short this entire hearing. Now, I remind you that we have got until the end of tomorow, the end of tomorrow. So we have one-and-a-half days. But you insist that we have to finish by 2:15 for you to attend to some matters that you won't even reveal to the court. Now I ask you now does this sound like somebody who's willing to come to court and meet and resolve these issues?

LKY: Your Honour, I had a message from one of my counsel's aides to say that I should be in court by here 2 o'clock - by 12 o'clock because Your Honour has imposed a guillotine that the cross-examination of the prime minister would end at twelve. So I turn up at twelve. I was told that the guillotine allowed - had already been late he would be given 2 hours. I suggest - I asked my counsel to request the court to finish this two hours so that I can attend to some important matters. There's no disadvantage to anybody to be sitting here and finishing off this cross-examination within the two hours. What I do not want to be a party to is a deliberate abuse of the process, of the proceedings of the court by delaying tactics.

CSJ: So, Mr Lee --

LKY: And by asking irrelevant questions, Dr Chee is running out the gullotine. At the end of the day, we've had this confrontation face to face have you thrown any dirt, have you dug up any scandal? Are you still saying as you've said before that this government is run like the NKF?

CSJ: Now, Mr Lee, let me try to --

LKY: No, we are here because you have said that --

CSJ: Mr Lee, I'm going to ask you this question and I wish you'd just stick to the questions that I pose to you. I'm asking you why did you come to court --

LKY: Because I was asked --

CSJ: Let me rephrase my question. Are you telling the court that you had nothing to do with the curtailment of this entire process?

Singh: Your Honour, I made the application this morning and Your Honour would remembers that I said I was very troubled with what the Chees did yesterday and that it was quite apparent that they had nothing to ask which was of any relevance and that unfortunately or otherwise has been proven in this exchange. And I said, Your Honour, that the whole purpose of the cross-examination was to insult, annoy and to scandalise and that's also been proven true. For that reason, I had asked that there be a guillotine. Your Honour had full powers to control the proceedings. The order has already been made and I don't see why this witness should be asked to explain something that was the subject of my application and Your Honour's order.

CSJ: Do you see the game that's being played here, Mr Lee? Do you see how you are beginning to hide behind your counsel and then claim, "Look, I'm willing to confront them. It's my counsel." Now I'm going to ask you a very simple question: Right here, right now, tell Mr Davnder Singh "Don't interrupt. I will answer these questions as they are put to me right now."

LKY: Heh-heh. Your Honour, I've briefed counsel, I've always found it's never wise to be my own lawyer in my own case. I know that some perople believe that they can do otherwise, and I'm quite sure that Dr Chee is making a very great impression on all the reporters in this court of how he is better than Mr Ravi --

CSJ: I think you meant Mr Singh.

LKY: I believe Mr Singh is better qualified to deal with the legalities of this case.

CSJ: Well, I should hope so with all the training that he's got. Now, coming back to my question, Mr Lee, is your answer no, that you wll not tell Mr Singh: "Stay out of this. Let me answer my question because --

LKY: I --

CSJ: Let me finish my question -- because you have said -- and I repeat to you -- that you will answer not only questions about the "particular defamation issue, but on all issues in my life."

LKY: Yes...as long as that was what was an issue and that was the, it was an issue in the summary judgement was appealed against. [Note how garbled the answer is.] And we turned up for the hearing but you dodged the hearing.

CSJ: Mr Lee, you are not unintelligent.

LKY: Thank you.

CSJ: You knew precisely what you meant and what you mean is: "Come and ask me all these questions that doesn't pertain to this defamation suit and I will answer you because my entire standing, inlcuding the standing of this government, is at stake." Is that not correct?

LKY: I think, Dr Chee, we'll cut short this proceeding to become more relevant.

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Comments (55)

Tue 10 Jun 2008 1:13 PM | Clear Lens - How did you record this?

Amamzing... actually with matters involving our ministers, the local media should cover these cases LIVE audio on national TV or radio. We need to see/hear the entertainment. We paid for it with our "hard earned" money (taxes). But only can see ugly sketches of them on TV and a 3rd party perspective which might be biased.

Tue 10 Jun 2008 1:14 PM | David

Dr chee don't even know what he is asking for.

Want to fight a SNAKE. you must have skill. No skill....... loser....... .

What a loser.......... . Just JAIL HIM.

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

Tue 10 Jun 2008 1:49 PM | Mike - Irelevant Questions

I think CSJ is asking too many questions.

Questions after questions...

What's the point?

There's no technic at all..

It shows the blunt side and that's why CSJ is in jail for that rudeness.

If it had been more tactful during questioning, CSJ would have been a free man now, though a bankrupt still.

A clever man does not show his anger easily.

Tue 10 Jun 2008 2:51 PM | AC - singapore media

Court trials should be telecast openly to allow people to witness for themselves. And not be held under a cloak of secrecy & censorship.

Clearly, the media has spun a web of deceit-- by only publishing selective court proceedings that puts the Chees in a bad light.

Tue 10 Jun 2008 3:22 PM | J Moe - Political freedom and media freedom

Local media reports should practice more on Political freedom and media freedom. It will be the absence of interference with the sovereignty of an individual by the use of coercion or aggression.

If local media are not facing the obstacles of media freedom, Singapore citizens can be able to observe who is ownership is the state or fact of exclusive rights and control over Rules of Law or who is that communication of a statement that makes a false claim! during the hearing in the court.

We have to ask this question to media Bosses, What are the roles and responsibilities of Media?

Tue 10 Jun 2008 3:48 PM | Tan Tai Wei

I thought witnesses in court are only to provide facts in answer to questions, and not to intrepret and pass their own judgement. It is for the defence and plaintiff's counsels to form judgements and draw conclusions, and for the judge to make the last judgement.

Yet, Lee at several points evaded giving straight factual answers and contended with Chee instead, sayings things not relevant to the issue of quantum of damages.

And the judge never checked Lee.

Tue 10 Jun 2008 4:05 PM | | mila - -

Although, I am not a PAP support, I am unsure why SDP put this sound clip. I can't help but feel that CSJ is too dramatic and put himself in a bad light.

I don't think this will help SDP's fight for democracy. I am very disappointed!

Tue 10 Jun 2008 4:39 PM | ahlow - Sound clip is requested by readers

dear mila,

SDP does not put up this sound clip at will.
It is the readers that request SDP to put it up.

Why are u disappointed?
Is the sound clip dramatic?
Did u ask yourself , or your conscience that the ST papers hyped on the attack of DR Chee's character.

Dont you wish to know the truth?
Democrazy has nothing to do with the clip.
I think you are one of those who vote PAP through watching mediacock and ready the sex times.

If you are still disappointed, go back to ST and vote PAP at your own peril.
you can choose to scoot from this website. Oh i forget something, this website is a democratic one.
Try stomp, they make you happy whole year round.

Tue 10 Jun 2008 4:44 PM | HP

SDP is really childish ... Why only the first 10 minutes of the court session ? Is that all ? Why not put all ? Afraid that it is not to SDP advantage ? Now who is the one "controlling" the media !!!

Tue 10 Jun 2008 5:35 PM | Chew - To HP

[quote]SDP is really childish ... Why only the first 10 minutes of the court session ? Is that all ? Why not put all ? Afraid that it is not to SDP advantage ? Now who is the one "controlling" the media !!![/quote]

Sigh... if you want to demolish someone, at least stand look at both side of the fence before you yak away. In the same context as yours, I can say:

PAP is really coward ... Why don't even dare to put out even a single minute of the court session? Are they scared? Why no put at all? Afraid that it is not to PAP advantage? Now who is the real hypocrite of Singapore !!!

Next time, think before you write, else even if you comments may be published, but you will be as quickly demolished.

Tue 10 Jun 2008 6:42 PM | T.K. - How to put audio on Youtube.

Thank you so much for the audio!!! It added a lot of credibility, especially since it present such a radically different picture than the mainstream media reports.

If this is such a large event as what LKY seems to indicate, then the entire proceeding need to be televised on national TV. However, the media is hiding the truth and selectively report on a small fraction of the proceeding that is only benefitial to them. This is such a cowardly act.

Anyone knows how to put the audio recording on YOUTUBE and GOOGLE VIDEO? It would reach a large audience, and counter the effect of the mainstream video. Too bad I am not technical enough to know how to do it. CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP?

Tue 10 Jun 2008 8:11 PM | straycat - Dr. Chee is Singapore's Messiah

Putting this on record: I'm the first one to say this, "Dr. Chee is Singapore's Messiah"

Literally,Messiah means "The Anointed (One)", Figuratively, anointing is done to signify being chosen for a task; so, Messiah means "The Chosen (One)", particularly someone divinely chosen.

:)

Tue 10 Jun 2008 10:33 PM | Saint Splattergut - Questions Posed

That was amazing.

I don't think Dr. Chee was asking too many questions. If you look closely, these are the main questions that he asked:

[b]1.[/b] What did Mr. Lee have to attend to, that
resulted in the limitation of the court session to 2hrs 15mins?

[b]2.[/b] Does Mr. Lee stand by his words, that he will answer not just that particular defamation issue, but on all issues in his life?

[b]3.[/b] Will Mr. Lee tell Mr. Singh to not interrupt?

If it seems like he asked alot of questions, that's because he didn't seem to get very adequate answers... :)

Tue 10 Jun 2008 10:35 PM | greyheyn - re: Dr. Chee is Singapore's Messiah

We used to believe in Lee and his gang so fervently. After all these years, we surely do not want to rely on one man and a party. Lee has changed for the worst. It is Singaporean who should save themselves. Messiah is a word that I am sure Chee will not want to be associated with.

Wed 11 Jun 2008 1:10 AM | curious

hey, that exchange sure is full of potentially contentious viewpoints as to how each side performed/behaved. but let's not split hairs till we see the whole picture. indeed i echo some readers' request that the whole clip be put up here, for us to have the fuller picture. i am sure it will help illuminate more wholesomely and clearly to all the truth - in whoever's favor it might be, let the whole picture (hearing) be out.

thanks!

Wed 11 Jun 2008 2:27 AM | HP 2 Chew

SDP is the party that started to release audio recording and transcript and as usual taken out of context to SDP advantage which I think is childish.

It is as good as 2 people arguing and then 1 of them goes around telling the whole world portion of the argument that is beneficial to himself.

If SDP intends to let Singaporean be the judge, then SDP should release the FULL version not partial.

I visit SDP website because I wish I can hear the WHOLE story and not PARITAL. If SDP chooses to release the court proceeding in the first place, please for goodness sake, do it fully.

Either you do it (SDP-parital release) or you don't do it at all (PAP-never release).

Wed 11 Jun 2008 4:38 AM | | seebeng - Judge Belinda calls LKY "SIR"

Have you all heard Judge Belinda Ang addressing LKY as sir in this audio recording?

What has our judiciary come to? A branch of the Lee regime?

Wed 11 Jun 2008 4:53 AM | Hawk Eye - Cowardy Act

Through out the whole audio clip, LKY did not answer Dr Chee and single question. Dr Chee asked if LKY would answer any single questions posed to him on his political life etc. LKY said he would.

But when LKY lawyer speaks up for him, Dr Chee asked if LKY can ask his lawyer to remain silent and let LKY to answer the questions himself. But LKY said that he had instructed to his counsel on all these, hence his counsel will speak up for him.

I thought he promised earlier that he would answer Dr Chee's question? Now he's hiding behind someone hoping that someone would speak up for him!

After hearing this recorded conversation, then i know that he's not as smart as what i think at all.

Wed 11 Jun 2008 5:29 AM | Mr Ravi Singh - Where is Mr Ravi when you need him?

Is it Mr Davinder Singh or Mr Ravi? Small mistakes by management (our government) can mean big losses ($$$$$) for our citizens.

Wed 11 Jun 2008 6:07 AM | Sylvester Lim - More of the Transcript from the PAP

It good to see some are requesting for more of the transcripts of the court events. Do these same people also request of the same from the government given their resources? If not, why? Because you believe that they will not do it? If that is so, why aren't you demanding more from the government?

Wed 11 Jun 2008 6:57 AM | OperationSpectrum

Well done SDP.

I will upload this on YouTube.

CSJ at his best
Versus
LKY without editing

It is disheartening to note that after all these years, no politician from PAP has agreed or dared to accept a open political debate with Dr Chee.

Wed 11 Jun 2008 8:39 AM | Lee's Court of Law - PAP dirty politics

Just look at the news :

Big Time NKF swindlers TT Durai and Richard Yong even skipped town with wife gets jail sentence "shaved off" due to "good behaviour" and mind you they are criminals! Cheaters of public funds!

How come the Chees do not get good time off- are they creating a trouble in the prison???????

Hey damn PAP why so quiet- where is your justice??

Wed 11 Jun 2008 8:44 AM | tunkudon - kind

any one kind enough to post on youtube or any where , i dun seen to be able to listen to the audio ,pls help tks

Wed 11 Jun 2008 9:48 AM | Bidadari - Bravo Dr. Chee!

Those words, and those fine words to take the direct stab to whom it may belongs, is going to tell the whole world, what this horrible human being is all about. Maybe not today or maybe not tomorrow, but it's just the grand beginning. I salute you Dr. Chee to speak on our behalf to the most disgusted human being that mankind had ever seen on this planet earth.

Wed 11 Jun 2008 11:11 AM | Chew - To HP

[quote]SDP is the party that started to release audio recording and transcript and as usual taken out of context to SDP advantage which I think is childish.

It is as good as 2 people arguing and then 1 of them goes around telling the whole world portion of the argument that is beneficial to himself.

If SDP intends to let Singaporean be the judge, then SDP should release the FULL version not partial.

I visit SDP website because I wish I can hear the WHOLE story and not PARITAL. If SDP chooses to release the court proceeding in the first place, please for goodness sake, do it fully.

Either you do it (SDP-parital release) or you don't do it at all (PAP-never release).[/quote]

Hmm.. interesting that you mention this. Do you read our world ranked 154th Straits Time and watch the TV? Had you noticed how one sided it was, and still is, with regards to this case?

Surely if you have to come to SDP website to try understand the full story, then obviously you felt that you do not get the whole story on the TV or the Straits Time. Now, did you write to Straits Time and MediaCorp as well demanding that they either report it fully and unbiased, or don't do it all?

If you didn't, I will suggest that you begin writing those letters to be fair, and if you did, I am looking forward to see the replies from them. Please post them here, I am sure many readers here will love to see them as well.

Now, may I refer you to the following page:
http://www32.a2hosting.com/~yoursdp/index.php/component/content/article/1-singapore/495-sdp-leaders-convicted-and-jailed-for-contempt-of-court

There is a section which says:
[i]At the beginning of the hearing this morning counsel for Ms Chee, Mr M Ravi, argued that the transcript Judge Ang used for citing instances of contemptuous conduct came from Merrill Legal Solutions, a company contracted to record and transcribe proceedings.

The Lees' lawyers of Drew & Napier had paid for Merrill's services. A copy of the transcript was then extended to Judge Ang.

Mr Ravi pointed out that documents that were relied on by the court had to be made available to all parties. The defendants were not provided copies of the full transcript.

When Dr Chee approached Merrill earlier, he was informed that because Drew & Napier had applied for the transcription servicess, a copy could not be given to him. The defendant was told he would have to contact the Lees' lawyers.[/i]

We can see that there are quite a bit of hindering factors for SDP to obtain the full transcript. Maybe even now they do not have the full transcript and hence, they release what they can, as they get it. Be thankful for that because you and I both know who have the full transcript and they will never release it willingly to the public.

Now, how about you start petitioning LKY and LHL to tell the full story and release the full transcript, fully uncensored, instead of all the one sided reports in Straits Time and TV? At the same time, might as well throw in a petition for them to answer all the unanswered questions that Dr Chee asked as well, we will like to know these answers too.

Thank you and have a nice day. :lol:

Wed 11 Jun 2008 11:46 AM | huh??

I still don't it that WHY Dr Chee keep on insisting that LKY answer why LKY have to cut short the cross-examination to 2 and 1/2 hrs? Can't Dr Chee just use the 2 and 1/2 hrs to ask those important question about the case? Why is so important to know what LKY have to do after the 2 and 1/2 hrs?

Wed 11 Jun 2008 12:37 PM | truth - mike is a pap lapdog

mike, how much did the pap paid u to smear Dr. Chee ?
What Dr. Chee is doing is to hold LKY accountable. Why r u against what he is doing if not for the money the pap paid you.

Wed 11 Jun 2008 2:47 PM | obamabush - Chee should be represented

:0 Chee should know about the way laws operate. When you are in court for one offense you only deal with that offense complaint by the Plaintiff.

What Lee said about what he has said is not for the court to deal with and not for Chee to expose the plaintiff even though he has said something before.

Play footabll and play hockey need diffrent goal post. This court case demonstrated Chee is ill adviced or if not a stupid act and kenna conned by Lee.

In court, there is certain rules to follow and court is like cooking and you do one thing only, and only one thing at a time to make the food taste good.

Thu 12 Jun 2008 3:12 AM | Joe Liberty - Mr

History has shown countless times that all dictators are not only mere cowards but also criminals. The very nature of the trial and its injustice and inhumanity can be seen right away by any self-respecting human being. Dr Chee has very clearly exposed in his brilliant cross examination, the 2 shameless criminals who run Singapore today, not without the help of a turbaned fool of a crony lawyer and a woman high court judge who allows herself to be bought over by the unjustified high salary paid to her by her master, thereby compromising the rule of law, which is sacred to the very survival of any nation for the sake of future generations. For such ruthless inhuman devils my suggestion is that there should be a revolution in that country to bring all these criminals and their collaborators to justice! When that moment arrives we will see if they can show courage and speak as boldly as they do today? Justice is long overdue. Maybe it might come sooner as the unrepentant old fool is closer to his end than he thinks. That is inevitable and immiment and the likes of Ms Judge and Mr Singh together with the unelected and illegitimate PM better prepare for it!

Thu 12 Jun 2008 7:24 AM | white raven

Actually, the court hearing was to determine the quantum of damages and not to establish liability so to be honest Chee seems to me on the wrong track. That is out of order. He shld have used the very first trial to cross examine LKY in this same way, and demanded that LKY answer all the questions that LKY promised he'll do. So Chee is I wld say out of step. Soin this last encounter, Chee could defend himself against high claims of costs by alluding to the lack of circulation or publicity he was given by the continued clamp downs etc or cited the percentage of votes he got anyway at the GE or question howmuch impact his words had on the PAP's percentage votes etc.
So maybe Chee knows the difference but chose to make as much political capital out of this last hearing.

Mon 16 Jun 2008 11:42 AM | GC Chwee

[quote]Chee seems to me on the wrong track. That is out of order. [b]He shld have used the very first trial to cross examine LKY in this same way,[/b] and demanded that LKY answer all the questions that LKY promised he'll do.[/quote]In case white raven didn't know, there was no first trial. [b]Belinda Ang gave the case to the Lees in a summary judgment - i.e., without a trial.[/b]

Thu 19 Jun 2008 10:40 AM | Kay Poh - Despite his intelligence

I really don't understand Dr. Chee. He is obviously not a stupid man. In fact, he is quite intelligent.

Why is it that he cannot use the many available methods available to him to make his views known instead of being so confrontational all the time?

Such a waste of intelligence and because of his methods, its such a waste of a chance for a passionate man like Dr Chee to be of any real use to the Democratic process in Singapore.

Thu 19 Jun 2008 1:28 PM | Amused - Dr Chee Doesn't Have a Clue

This is tragic. Dr Chee simply doesn't have a clue about how things work. The earlier proceeding is on liability - almost anything would have been relevant for that proceeding. But the current proceeding is merely on liability. Different lah. Also, Dr Chee has watched too much Matlock -- y'know when Matlock asks incisive questions and gets the witness to break down and confess on the stand? Well, that is Hollywood man. It don't happen like that in real life. Go get a clue.

Thu 19 Jun 2008 8:35 PM | Being fair

I listen this clip as a neutral bystander and am no supporter of Lee. Both Lee and Chee were equally eloquent so I don't know where the part where Chee is above Lee. But Chee is a younger man and will have a faster mind. At first I thought Lee stammered but it is maybe because he don't want to answer some questions because he doesn't want to go out of point. There was also 2 parts where Chee paused.

Sun 22 Jun 2008 6:41 AM | anon - interesting

Like almost everything else on the internet, we should not be too trusting of what we see/hear.

We should not be given the impression or come to the conclusion that the entire court proceedings went like how it is heard here. What is posted up is probably as small portion of what happened.

My main point is that we should not just trust what we hear to be the truth. The most hardcore skeptic may even say the audio recordings are not tamper-proof etc (you get my drift).

I am NOT just a blur PAP/LKY supporter rooting for them blindly (I'm not even sure who to support). Rather, I feel the need to say that the postings here, like in any other media, is also subjected to a level of biasness which we need to be aware of.

While it may not an accurate portrayal of the court happenings, what we can take away is the knowledge that the mainstream media is not being very truthful in their portrayals either.

Sun 22 Jun 2008 6:50 AM | Anonymous

[quote]Clear Lens - How did you record this? Tue, 10 Jun 2008 1:13 pm

Amamzing... actually with matters involving our ministers, the local media should cover these cases LIVE audio on national TV or radio. [/quote]

You've seen - heard, rather - the performance of Our Dear Leader when in court with no one else around and facing Ah Juan who's never trained in law and how ARTICULATE he was, haven't you?

Maybe excusable but even Our great Leader
- they are Father and Son, right? So I have to address them like I did back when I was in the Chosun Ninmin Kyungakook in defernce to the Kims; say, Lees might've descended from some Chosun tribes too, yes? Being Hakka and Hun barbarian-related -
also performed beyond our expectations - hey, London barrister, inner-inn too, man, I say, well done, Bloke (but bring shame to alma mater)!

So, if even the head of Cabinet got cum-stuck-in-throat facing down someone he and Dad has devoured all their lives (not to mention having the most quick-witted legal brain in Singapore in the form of Dave SingTel to aid and calm him in court), how do you expect his underlings to perform if they had to do LIVE???

They'll tell you: Limpeh rather die than have the camera showing me dumbstuck every time an impromptu question gets shoved in my face - tolong you all, don't do this kind of live events to make limpeh laukwee,okay? Cut $2 off my next pay but please, please tolong, tolong don't ever do this, pureeeeeeeeeeeeeease.

My god, these cabi.net people can't even outtalk the lousiest Taiwan local councillor, you expct them to do live???

Sun 22 Jun 2008 7:07 AM | Anonymous

[quote]request that the whole clip be put up here, for us to have the fuller picture. [/quote]

Mean these clips we have here, as they are, aren't ENOUGH to prove THE POINT???

The point being, the Great Leader and the Dear leader can't hold their own (candles and keep the flames of Singapore alit) with even the slightest movement of air (Juan - yes, you are The Air, macam Air Jordan - can fly, you know, heehee).

One lousy little toothless David with no bite (Juan). Not even a small catapult.

And Goliath couldn't do anything about him, got dumbstuck with just a few words, maybe too true and too stinging but these are LEADERS OF THE REPUBLIC, my God!

Three Goliaths, to be precise. Or four - if that Hokkien charbor chairwoman was included (she makes my ethnic group look bad).

No, in the local political - if there was any politics in present-day Singapore to begin with in the first place - context, these weren't just goliaths - THEY ARE THE PROVERBIAL 800-PONUD GORILLAS OF THE LAND! Imagine: one head of government, one that head of government's lau peh (fathers are greater than life itself, no?) and one who, if he wants, can be AG, SG, even CJ if only so much as he desires.

THREE HEAVYWEIGHTS vs one helpLESS, defenceLESS, state-organ-to-aid-in-case-something-goes-wrong-LESS toothLESS (and asset- and so resource-LESS as well, bankrupt mah) 'four-eyed' feeble scholarly-type ex-Scholar.

Stack that stat up anywhere in the world - and the outcome is a sure KNOWN KNOWN and not an UNKNOWN UNKNOWN.

Right?

Wrong.

The tables were overturned - figuratively speaking, I stress first ah, lest you accuse me and charge me with rioting - those days in court.

"This is (Britain's) finest hour!"

Sun 22 Jun 2008 7:21 AM | LO MUA MUANG (near Golden Tria

[quote]greyheyn - re: Dr. Chee is Singapore's Messiah Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:35 pm

We used to believe in Lee and his gang
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Eh, say properly hoh, what "gang"? You take us for GANGster, lo-mua, [i]liumang[/i] like your man, Chee Soon juan, ah?

I tell you hoh, we respectable people, okay - now got proper S-T-A-N-D-I-N-G in respectable circles, all society, okay, unlike those commies i used to mix around with, that one boh pian, I was using them as springboard, a bridge, use then dispose like your japanese eatery waribashi, heehee, oops!

Anyway, I dare you to repeat your accusation outside this House...err, outside this Forum, show yourself and your tengkee, reveal your ID.

Limpeh sure shoo you until you tng-kor... sorry, X-Q my Barrister EngIrish, sue you till you are, like Mr Chee, beng-ker-lap.

Sun 22 Jun 2008 7:29 AM | LO MUA MUANG (near Golden Tria

[quote]HP - Tue, 10 Jun 2008 4:44 pm

SDP is really childish ... Why only the first 10 minutes of the court session ? Is that all ?
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HP any relation to HPL? must ascertain first mah - PAPpies always tell people to not hide behind false fronts, pseudonyms, etc - this one leh?

Anyway, my dear child, in case you're not aware, your clients both have incontinence - no surprise, given one his age and the other his medical history - especially when under undue stress, like when sparring with opponents.

Every ten minutes or less, your clients would ask to be relieved of witness status to go relieve themselves.

Does this answer your misgivings, lingering doubts? Feel any relief? or need a break too like your clients to go reieve yourself?

Go, go, go now - before wet your pants like a frightened little toddler, HP. Like your clients.

Sun 22 Jun 2008 9:16 PM | Gerald heng/Boston/MA/USA - Should the Court be the Forum of CSJ ?

Its very interesting that Dr.Chee has made a brace showing of his political guts by asking Lee Kuan-Yew questions unrelated to the Quantum of Damages issue,the sole rationale for Court Hearing.Shouldn't Dr.Cee be speaking about these matters at the Speakers Corner at Hong Lim Green ? If the police deny the Permit he can appeal first to Singapore Courts then ultimately to the International Court of Justice at The Hague,Netherlands!Singapore already has a poor record of Media Freedom ! Gerry

Mon 23 Jun 2008 12:07 AM | lol

Lee keep side-step, he never do what he promise!

Mon 23 Jun 2008 6:41 AM | varatharaj veerappan - mr

4 me chee i a joke since thenus issue.he made a clown of himslf during the moh issue.doesn't surprise wen his making himslf the joke of the town wit his latest antics.pls mr chee giv us a break!!

Tue 24 Jun 2008 12:44 PM | Stephen L - Why only post certain recording?

Well, I don't think all recordings are posted here, especially those that makes the Chee's look bad.

Well, Chee's, if you are fair and 'democratic', please post all recordings, not just selective one that turns you on...

Thu 26 Jun 2008 1:25 AM | Fair Judgement

SDP, please demonstrate your belief for a fair country by posting the clip for the entire court proceedings instead of just a few selected recordings? That will be the best way for us to to have a good understanding of the case, including the party's stand.

Mon 30 Jun 2008 1:56 AM | Anonymous

Dr chee , you should have be asking him why the number of PAP voters has declined in all these years and why singapore is facing a brain drain situation. This would be relevant to the singaporeans' interest.Let him know we are having difficulties in our life because of the decision made in influx of large unskilled and skilled foreigers are robbing our jobs away. I meant foriegner young at age stands a higher chance in securing a job than the older singaporean.do not ask those nonsensical questions

Tue 01 Jul 2008 6:45 PM | Joshua - My thoughts

CSJ is an idiot. I am not for everything that happens, but we will not be where we are if not for LKY in the early years. We cannot have everything perfect. If you think that you have what it takes to do better than that old man.. go prove yourself in a proper manner. Look at Chiam ST.. i respect him for winning over through hard work and logic. CSJ really gives the opposition a bad name. Kind of saddens me to know that he is no better than alot of Americans who think that they are the only ones doing a good job.

Sun 06 Jul 2008 2:03 AM | Anonymous

To build a BUREACRACTIC society based on PREJUDICE and SENIORITY......

Tue 08 Jul 2008 5:08 AM | Blunt blood

I love the dsp

Tue 08 Jul 2008 5:12 AM | Blunt blood

SDP is smart.They make sure that comments not favourable to them will suffer a bad light(poor comment rating)I dont know SDP but i am sure i will kill you all in the near future.Trust me i though i am not a supporter of any political party...your articles and way of speech is obviously against the way other people talk.Trust me,One by one i will take you down

Love bluntblood

Thu 10 Jul 2008 5:36 PM | Media??? - "Black" for SDP and "Faint Grey" for others ???

Who controls the media ????

Look at the responses in this matter. For SDP - in "black"
Against SDP - " faint grey "

Look who is trying to influence and distract the people.

Sun 07 Sep 2008 9:33 AM | mumofger

After listening to this audio clip, I am utterly disappointed with CSJ. You are really naive and I wonder what are you trying to fight for us Singaporean?
You have nothing to ask. Just trying to be a clown in the court.

Mon 08 Sep 2008 12:39 AM | Jackson - Anwar / Dr. Chee democracy

perhaps Dr. chee should ask the govt wat happens if anwar case happens in singapore with our leaders will he have the same medis coverage or a mockery of our pledge , to build a democracy society base on equality and justice for our nation , dont seem to tele at all

Thu 25 Sep 2008 2:14 PM | yoursmellyfriend

the recording was hilarious!

if you ask me, LKY is one hell of a sneaky bugger. he dodged all the questions so well! haha.

and for that matter, thank god CSJ is not a lawyer, i'm damn sure that most of his clients will end up the victims after the court case.

keep your cool dude!

sometimes i wonder why the court would actually entertain such nonsense. it's so blatant that what CSJ was asking had no relevance to the case!

oh well. some air time is better than none right!

Fri 24 Oct 2008 7:54 PM | AKA

OK..ONE THING.. how did you manage to get a recording in a court? That surprises me because I thought there had to be permission.

Nevermind, back to the issue..

ok.. what a nice way to dodge the question Mr Lee, he just attacks back after the speechless period and leaves the opponent at a stage where he wants to speak but unable to.

Thu 22 Jan 2009 9:30 AM | The Sword and The Scale

Frankly, after hearing the live audio from the court proceedings, I think not having it broadcasted would actually help the cause of the SDP, because, in one word, it was rather disappointing.

I clicked the broadcast quite eagerly, because I never thought such a broadcast will actually make it out of a court-room. Morever, when the one being cross-examined was none other than our MM, Mr. Lee.

Looking at the tag line, I expected a cross-examination by Dr Chee that would have left Mr Lee flabbergasted, since the title did say "lost for words"

What I heard and read, however, were REALLY disappointing. It consisted of jibes, parries, and frankly speaking, it was really 5 minutes of time wasting. There were many questions, thtt I thought Dr Chee wanted to ask Mr Lee, and I would say, get on with it. I would rather hear about pertinent questions that all singaporeans really want to know about, like with regards to CPF savings, or maybe questions regarding the formation of GIC, and it's transparency. I believe these questions were brought up by Dr Chee before especially in condemning the current government.

Those were the issues that I wanted to hear about. Not 5 mins of, in my opinion, sparring with words that amounted to nothing. so what did Dr Chee proved or achieved in the end? Frankly,I don't know... but I hope somebody does, otherwise, I would really hate to see him always being in jail all the time, or being in the news for all the wrong reasons.

I don't hate you Dr Chee, we are all fellow Singaporeans. I just hope that you will be able to live well, and find peace within yourself and also those around you. Life is too short sometimes.